Well Brown will be pleased. A week off from being made to look like a complete cunt. Perhaps though his innate cuntishness will shine through in his prepared statement.
In fact I can guarantee it will.
Unsworth
· 10 months ago
At the immediate suggestion of Brown, of course. Cui Bono?
mitch
· 10 months ago
100% with you - it's the wrong decision. Politicians are too sentimental at times like this.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
This is a disgrace that PMQ's has been cancelled. Politics, especially during times of crisis cannot be put on hold when a member of an MP's family dies. I think this is setting a dangerous precident.
TheAgeOfFDObama
· 10 months ago
Another example of the 'Madeleinisation' of British public life.
It is awful and horrendous that the Camerons have lost their wee son. And no-one in their right mind would expect the man to take his place.
But that's why there are deputies.
In a time of economic crisis, you can't stop the whole country because one individuals suffers a terrible event.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
I was also surprised at the cancellation - then I heard it was Gordon Browns decision.
Of course Cameron would have had a stand in, so Gordon Brown may have chosen not to answer questions himself...
But who would the stand in be?
Harperson!
Just the one that Brown wants to keep out of the limelight at the moment.
With Brown you always have to consider the political tactic.
mitch
· 10 months ago
Toenails is starting to get serious shit on his blog. The mods aren't being too bad, perhaps they agree...?
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
Should not be cancelled. Tragedy, yes, but people sent to war are dying every day. Get on with it.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
I propose that everything in the country should be cancelled on the Day Jade Goody dies. Everybody should stay home, politics must come to a halt, we must all stay at home weeping. What the hell happened to this country?
Greg
· 10 months ago
Hi first post,
I immediatly lept to this site to reassure myself that even Guido would sneer at this tragic news. What a surprise.
One would also suspect that Guido would be a bit of a cunt for this, but I'm assuming that Guido has suffered the death of a child and got on quitely with his blogging.
Sorry, can't agree Guido on this occassion. If Ivan had died yesterday i'd say you're right, and I agree about soldiers, etc. But i just feel that with the boy passing away this morning, it is only right that the House show support and sympathy in this way.
McLovin
· 10 months ago
FFS Brown was shitting bricks over PMQs and this is an easy option instead of stepping into the ring with the Mohammed Ali of the opposition bench (Hague)
In my post on the news of Ivan i foresaw this and it just proves that Brown is a coward or the first order
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
(Exodus 12:29-30)
Dick the Prick
· 10 months ago
Absolute bollox.
john miller
· 10 months ago
Completely understand Cameron not attending. Some things are just more important than politics. But I completely agree that to cancel PMQs is a shameful illustration of the American daytime movie culture. Hague and Harridan should have got on with it and if they cant manage without a weeks preparation then tough shit. Brown, as ever, covers his lack of backbone with a moral bandage.
Wrinkled Weasel
· 10 months ago
You are a shit of the first ordure, Guido and so, apparently, are your followers.
jgm2
· 10 months ago
I was also surprised at the cancellation - then I heard it was Gordon Browns decision.
I can believe it was Gordon Brown's 'suggestion' but I'm surprised Cameron went along with it. Although of course he may not be thinking quite straight just at the moment.
Definitely the wrong decision though. The show must go on. Shame for Cameron and all that but this government is fucking this country up on an hour-by-hour basis. They shouldn't be given a week off from scrutiny.
I was over on Wikipedia to reacquaint myself with the political capital Gordon Brown made of the 'Black Wednesday' ERM thing that did for the Tories.
Apparently that particular screw up cost the UK 3.4bn quid. Golly. Here's what Gordon Brown had to say...
'The shadow chancellor, Gordon Brown, said colossal errors of judgement by the prime minister and chancellor had betrayed the British people.'
And now we find that thanks to the fucking monumental errors of judgement by this prime-minister while chancellor that we are on the hook for 1,300,000,000 or 1,300bn quid just to keep the banks solvent.
Way-hey. Tories get thrown out for 13 years for one Black Wednesday but under Gordon Brown Every day is Black Wednesday. This needs saying every Wednesday until the election. Including today.
Oxbridge Prat
· 10 months ago
Much though I have total and utter contempt for Brown, it is just possible that in this case his decision was driven by genuine personal feeling. He does have personal experience after all.
That doesn't make the decision right, but it could well be the wrong decision for the right reason.
The Dirty Rat
· 10 months ago
Loads of sympathy for any responsible parent who loses a child but I understand PMQs was canceled by Brown which is no more than a cop out. Hague should have taken over and Brown could have trotted out the usual bollocks like he does when one of our servicemen dies.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
The decision to cancel PMQs was taken jointly by PM's office and Cameron's. And this is the wrong decision.
Hague should have deputised and we may have got a more sober and thoughtful PMQs for once.
This is another example of more deference and accommodation being shown to the establishment compared to that shown to parents of dead service men and woman whose experience of grief would be no less horrible.
Dave
· 10 months ago
Have you noticed how Labour propagandists in the media like Toenails Robinson and their trolls on blogs are trying to link Gordon Brown to this great personal tragedy for the Camerons?
Every mention of this poor childs death is accompanied by the comment that Brown has suffered a similiar experience.
Are Labour terrified that the Tories are going to get a bounce from a huge wave of public sympathy?
pp
· 10 months ago
Wrong wrong wrong - HoC, not you Guido.
What makes Cameron Jr so much more important than the thousands of others who die every day?
Cameron missing PMQ's is not the end of the world, the fact the torys have noone who can cover at short notice is truely shocking.
This is a personal tragedy, not a national one.
Every time brown reads out the names of the dead soldiers at the start of PMQ's in future he will be showing them contempt and disrespect.
My sympathy to *everyone* who has lost someone recently.
Stewart
· 10 months ago
Oh come on. I hate the old "unless you've been through it" line. Its pathetic. The lad wasn't a MP - are we now going to suspend PMQs everytime a member of an MPs immediate family die?
Of course its terrible the kid died. But how does suspending PMQs relate to that at all? Are the Tories such one trick ponies that they can't carry on without him?
pp
· 10 months ago
ps. Any one know the whereabouts of a certain G.Brown in the early hours of this morning?
Andrew Efiong
· 10 months ago
Give Cameron as long as needs to grieve. But government doesn't stop, nor does parliament.
Inspector Morse
· 10 months ago
I don't think that Cameron would have been capable of effectively briefing Haig on what he'd have liked him to say, given the timing and circumstances.
So I think the majority here are wrong to condemn the cancellation/postponement.
bergen
· 10 months ago
Harman and Hague would have been treading on eggshells this morning and so I must most respectfully disagree with Guido on this one.Probably the correct decision in the circumstances.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
Jolly good, McSnot never answered a single question in these sessions anyway.
New Labour Motto, If you dont answer the question you dont tell any lies.
Desperate Dan
· 10 months ago
It's absolutely right to record the deaths of soldiers killed in Iraq each week but at the same time neither they nor their families are personally known to anyone in the House. PMQs couldn't possibly have gone ahead with a cloud of bereavement gloom for a child hanging over the proceedings. No-one would have had to stomach for normal yah boos, insults, jokes and shouting. Questions would have had to be rewritten to reflect the change of atmosphere. Cancelling it was the only thing they could do.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
I have great sympathy for the Cameron's over their loss of their son, but stopping PMQs allows Gordon Brown to get away with his wrecking of the UK for yet another week, after last weeks holiday.
Every day this country is being dragged down, not just kneecapped, but economically and politically amputated. Hail a 1000 year New Labour!
mitch
· 10 months ago
Brown handled that statement very well, actually.
Dick the Prick
· 10 months ago
It's ridiculous. Ofcourse everyone sympathises - shed quite a few tears this morning but politics is politics.
Dave can take as long as he wants, needs, feels.
But this is Blighty - this is England.
trevorsden
· 10 months ago
I quite agree - Brown, and Blair before him, takes political opportunity to mentions other peoples dead sons at PMQs - presumably without the parents permission.
Doing this at a highly charged political occasion is quite inappropriate and is clearly done for political propaganda purposes and also to unsettle any possible political attack on the issue of the moment.
It should be ended and the House given an opportunity to give sincere condolences at an appropriate time.
At the very least PMQs should continue with deputies all round - even if its tomorrow - but I see no reason why Brown should not still appear.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
If this blog really is moderated then perhaps you should look up biblical quotes before putting them up!
jgm2
· 10 months ago
mitch said...
Brown handled that statement very well, actually.
If you say so. I can't bear to look or listen to the man any longer. My contempt and loathing for him knows no bounds nor indeed does the English language possess an adequate formulation of words to convey what an utter, utter, utter bastard the man (Brown) is. Doesn't even come close.
So the 'mood of the House' now determines parliamentary procedure?
I think it probably does.
pp
· 10 months ago
Bugger - whos going to pay his £66,000 ?
Halo
· 10 months ago
I'm glad it was cancelled, maybe thats because I'm female and we get emotional but it seems the right thing to do. We're talking about a 6 year boy who never had a choice. My thoughts are with the family.
On a more cold hearted and practical note; I hope DC doesn't decide to step down. He's bullet proof right now and we need him to defeat Brown.
tacitus
· 10 months ago
The BBC News website speaks of the party leaders' "tributes". What exactly has Cameron's son achieved that is deserving of praise and respect?
And in what way is his death more tragic and more deserving of reverential silence and passivity than the death of a British soldier, cut down in the prime of life, fighting in an alien land, for a botched civilization?
david
· 10 months ago
PMQ's ≠ democracy.
Alan
· 10 months ago
12.15 "i actually had tears during browns statement."
I bet you were one of the infantilised, over-sentimentalised cretins weeping crocodile tears over Diana too.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
All they'd need is a tape recorder with Cameron's questions from the week before, and the week before that. Come to think of it, this would probably work for Brown, too.
We could probably mock it up on this thread. What about Guido vs Draper?
it's the bunker, stupid!
· 10 months ago
Labour spin on the Cameron bereavement:
Make sure every news report has copious mention of Gordon Browns loss from a few years ago. That should lessen the sympathy vote that the Tories are bound to get.
Jess The Dog
· 10 months ago
It's right to suspend PMQs, the day after the Leader of the Opposition's son has died. That's a no-brainer.
In war zones, soldiers are excused duty and flown home on compassionate grounds, such as bereavements, and - despite huge challenges - the RAF and other services do an amazing job in getting people home quickly when it really matters.
Some sympathy is appropriate for the Browns too, as they lost a newborn daughter some years ago. These tragedies never fade from memory.
Although a light may seem to have gone out in their lives, it will not have gone out in their memories, and the love and devotion the Camerons had for young Ivan will have brought him much happiness and fulfilment in his short life.
jgm2
· 10 months ago
Alan said...
12.15 "i actually had tears during browns statement."
I bet you were one of the infantilised, over-sentimentalised cretins weeping crocodile tears over Diana too.
It'll get worse before it gets better. We have Jade Goody to look forward to yet. Buy shares in Interflora.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
"The show must go on"
You fucking prick Guido!
West Ealing
· 10 months ago
1,000s of able and disabled babies die every day around the world. And yes every baby death is a tragedy. But, The House of Commons is where 60 million UK citizens' lives are 'managed'.
To cancel PMQs is pathetic.
Brown's speech was straight out of the Blair book of concerned acting. It was totally inappropriate for the House of Commons.
Even on the TV Politics Show today we had an MP saying he'd moderate his comments in view of the bereavement. Just what are these people on?
Let's move the Commons and the Lords to Bradford and kill off this pathetic inward looking Westminster village forever.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
As someone from the forces I can assure the cock monkeys who have written some of this shit that we do not just 'get on with it'. It's a a shit storm, people cry, you take a moment.... and then you get on with it. They are taking their moment. So shut the fuck up you armchair warriors - the sort of fucking donkeys that chucked men over the trenches.
sympathy where sympathy's due
· 10 months ago
12.32
What's it got to do with the fucking Brown's you sad, sentimentalised, infantile prick?
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
Of course it was Brown's decision to cancel PMQs - what do the idiots think he should have done - allowed Cameron to nake the call?? Could you imagine the reaction if he had.
Steve Tierney
· 10 months ago
I usually rather enjoy the unpleasant comments here, Guido. I've no problem with public figures being subjected to ridicule where its deserving.
But some of the comments today have left me wondering what sort of people some of the posters here are.
Alan: "bet you were one of the infantilised, over-sentimentalised cretins weeping crocodile tears over Diana too." -The death of a child, and someone's sympathy over it, are not a bloody excuse for you to quip snide insensitive comments! What's the matter with you? If you can't see how somebody could feel sincere sympathy about this, you must emotionally barren.
Finally, in response to the general opinion here that PMQ's "shouldn't have been cancelled" - I disagree. This was an elegant and decent response from parliament. David Cameron's family have suffered a tragedy. Yes, its true other families suffer every day. But death of a leading MPs child like this becomes a metaphor for all our children.
This is parliament doing something honourable and decent. We should applaud it.
jgm2
· 10 months ago
Make sure every news report has copious mention of Gordon Browns loss from a few years ago.
Hmmmm. Yeah. But. No. But. It would be a little contrived if they failed to mention Brown's dead kid too to be fair. Much as I loathe and detest Brown and much as the BBC are craven instruments of the Brown terror I still don't see how they could fail to mention, in passing, that Cameron's opposite number had had the same misfortune.
time this country grew up
· 10 months ago
jess the dog
Do you write the soppy shite for Hallmark cards, you cheesy, infantilised, prick?
pp
· 10 months ago
anon @12:28
Brown: I'll take no lessons on 'bereavement' from the member opposite. Under labour our military operations have increased bereavement to levels not seen since the second world war. And at home, our investment in social workers has ensured that even civilians have not missed out on this growth area.
Speaker Martin: Order, Order let the members remember that a little child has died.
Lord Ahmed: Well it bloody wasn't me this time.
Your turn...
mitch
· 10 months ago
The Beeboid mods have woken up and toenails is being heavily protected.
Look - it didn't happen, right?
Darwen Reporter
· 10 months ago
Well, it's tragic for the Camerons and I doubt whether David Cameron will be at the helm for a few weeks - so does that mean Question Time will be cancelled until he's back?
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
Have some r e s p e c t.
It was the right decision.
bofl
· 10 months ago
how many people have died because of the shitstain brown?
not just the people of iraq and aghanistan- he sent our own soldiers out oto fight with inappropriate equipment just to 'get back' at tony blair!
how fucking soft in the head are the uk public? Gordon brown only ever says or does things for the benefit of:::: Gordon fucking Brown!!!!!!!!
wake up...it's all a SHAM!!!!!!!!
W.W.
· 10 months ago
I think it was probably right to suspend PMQ's this once, everyone would have offered the sympathy and been walking on eggshells redering it a useless tool for holding the Government to account.
Though the constant linking to Broons child that died is pointless.
It will all be forgotten by the time of the next election and Broon will be tried, judged and sentenced by the voters for his actions not for the tragic death of a child.
I wonder how many people are going through a simular tradgedy at the moment whilst also facing the re-possesion of their home or redundancy.
W.W.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
Whats the point if PMQs goes on or not anyway, the Mentalist never answers questions without ranting on about what some Conversative Government did in the 70s. The only time he does respond to a question with anything even close to an answer is when some back bench Labour quack is proded by the whip to ask something as if it was read from prompt cards....
Doug
· 10 months ago
After everything we know about how Brown despises Cameron, I think his words are two-faced and despicable. How can he sympathise when he holds such personal enmity and politicises everything for personal gain? Go to Hell Brown.
North Briton Hunter
· 10 months ago
The majority of the comments here are despicable. It was right to cancel PMQs. Gordon's statement was very well judged and respectful and there was an overwhelming feeling of grief in the Commons.
The last time it happened was in 1995 when John Smith died. These moments are tragic and politics should take a back seat. No one is making political capital out of it.
I have always been aware that the majority of the readers of this blog are unpleasant, nasty little shits, but until now I didn't know quite how horrible they are.
Old Holborn
· 10 months ago
"This is parliament doing something honourable and decent. We should applaud it."
Agreed.
Anna Raccoon
· 10 months ago
jgm2 said...
It'll get worse before it gets better. We have Jade Goody to look forward to yet. Buy shares in Interflora.
February 25, 2009 12:33 P *******************
Shares in Digitalis might serve you better.
Can we not separate the man from the office? Of course it is right that DC didn't appear today - I would have been the first to condemn him if he had left his wife to deal with the aftermath of their loss alone.......But DC is not the entire opposition.......Hague, Clarke, any number of people could and should, have taken over today. The Government of 60 million people shouldn't fail to be held to account because one member of the house has lost a child - nor would it be offensive to the loss of that child in any way if it continued. Brown has been very clever - by making the move to cancel, he left DC in the position of not being able to do anything other than accept - he would have been condemned for refusing the offer to cancel. Damn this government and their mawkish sentimentality.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
12.46
Why should Cameron not be 'at the helm for a few weeks'?
After a few days mourning he has to pick up the pieces and get back to work though he will live with the pain of his bereavement for the rest of his life. That's what us ordinary mortals do.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
You think this is bad?
Wait until Jade pops her little cotton socks - they'll be a week of national bloody mourning!!
Ian E
· 10 months ago
Once again politicians show they only care for their own! How many have died due to Bliar's immoral (and possible illegal) war in Iraq? And what does each of them get - just a 'by the numbers' 5 second statement from the three party leaders!
I truly feel for Cameron (who is surely one of the few decent politicians around) - my dog just died and that was hard enough to bear! Of course he should take some time off, but politics (much less reality) do not stop and I feel it is a dreadful insult to the British to imply that one man's child is a satisfactory reason for suspending what is left of publicly visible shreds of democracy.
Half The Story
· 10 months ago
It was right to cancel seeing as new broke only a few hours before PMQs.
The cut and thrust would have been totally out of place when we would have had statement of condolenses for someone who should have been there.
Brown read the mood right, the Tories accepted rightly and everyone comes out a bit better for it.
jgm2
· 10 months ago
Steve Tierney said
This is parliament doing something honourable and decent. We should applaud it.
This is a Labour government of occupation. They don't 'do' honourable and decent. We should be suspicious of it.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
Commiserations
If there was more notice perhaps Hague should/could have stepped in and will do next week. Anyone who proposes Cameron should have been there today needs to stop and think about what they are saying first
Hugh Jorgen
· 10 months ago
Probably right to cancel PMQ's, but at the risk of being accused of insensitivity (..On Guido?!! Perish the thought!) is it really right or appropriate to try and equate in bereavement terms the loss of a newborn infant whom one has never known with that of a six-year old, who has ben cared for, loved, worried about and been the central focus of your private life for all that time.
Tuscan Tony
· 10 months ago
Well, I think that it was the right thing to cancel the damn' thing - if the child has passed away a few days before is one thing, but less than 12 hours before the slanging match is a step too far for a man to have to deal with I reckon.
wv: mumboo. Indeed she probably is.
Sopwith-Camel
· 10 months ago
I quite agree that PMQ should not have gone ahead as usual on this day. If it had, Gordon would have either been daring Cameron to brave the grief, or would have been taking advantage of a "good day to deliver bad news".
It is nice to see that our politicians can, when necessary, behave with the sort of dignity that seemed to belong to Churchill and his era.
Doug
· 10 months ago
I'm just sickened by the two-faced comments of the media today. I haven't seen any evidence that Robinson said what he has been accused of. However on the 1pm news Robinson couldn't stop himself from called Cameron privileged in the pejorative sense. He was practically in Mirror-mode toff slinging. And on ITV they have Julia 'Exterminate' Etchingham giving completely disingenuous comments considering her known opinions.
Goodnight Vienna
· 10 months ago
Ivan died, suddenly, at 6.30am this morning - cancelling this week's PMQs was a deserved mark of respect.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
Thank you for your 12:05 update Guido - it WAS for the best.
RIP Ivan.
jgm2
· 10 months ago
The only thing that bothers that psychopathic cunt Brown is whether the Tories benefit in the polls from massive public sympathy.
Brown and Mandelson may be cynical, sociopathic bastards but they understand what makes many of the mawkish, over-sentimental British tick.
Princess Diana's death demonstrated the infantilism of many of the British public as does the ongoing nonsense over Saint Jade of Chavs.
Yep. And gotta keep them bankers in the frame too. Divert attention from the architect of the UK's financial catastrophe. Expect more show-trials and more ritual humiliation of bankers/withdrawal of bonuses etc while all the assembled fuckwits at the FSA, treasury and government continue to get their pay, perks and bonuses for the fucking sterling job they did.
Which, if I understood a little snippet I caught yesterday included that Moore bloke who dobbed Crosby in it. So he was even less fucking use in the FSA than he was at HBOS? How was that possible?
By the way - what happened to him (Moore) and his 20 or 30 documents linking Brown to the whole debacle? Are they stored with the Glenrothes 'marked' register? Has he cut his wrists already. Fucking hell that was quick work.
What happened to Moore eh?
Princess Diana deceased
· 10 months ago
And the award for conspicuous moral vanity at negligible personal cost goes to...
Fucking delicious!
· 10 months ago
Maybe they should postpone the next General Election as David Cameron with the very sad death of Ivan appears to have lost his main election prop for pulling on the heart strings of the floating voter.
Fucking delicious!
Andrew
· 10 months ago
Indeed democracy doesn't stop when our brave soldiers die, and neither should it. Not only are the reasons why our troops are in action open to debate, but no one is forced to join HM Forces. This is a free country, and those who sign up do so because they want to.
Ivan died because he was very, very ill. So this death is different - MPs are human too, and the tributes that were paid, both to this young boy and his parents who must be inconsolable, and also to those who cared for him, spoke much more eloquently than any number of shouted questions. Both the PM and Leader of the Opposition have lost young children from illness. In a deeply cynical world it was great to hear words of praise and kindness from our elected representatives. Maybe that is the good that will have come out of this tragedy.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
Gets Brown out of one more embarassing public appearance, though.
Max
· 10 months ago
Sad but keep 'em peeled, Guido, ZNL won't be able to resist dropping out the odd stinker in these next few days; good day for it etc.
Spod
· 10 months ago
anon 1.29
Not one poster on here has suggested that Cameron should have attended PMQs you stupid prick.
The suggestions were that Hague should have stood in as deputy.
Get your facts straight before you open your big mouth in future.
RavingMad
· 10 months ago
To all the fools who think Brown and friends, in equating his own loss some years ago to that of Cameron now, is evidence of his humanity - think again. Brown is a despicable lump of shit that will endeavour to use any opportunity to further his own glory. The man shows how facile he really is. He is making political gain out of this sadness for his own benefit. So all the pro Brownites here can just fuck off.
wv ronti - should be ranti!!
Tactical Voter
· 10 months ago
Re. 12.05pm update.
Exactly.
guilty or innocent?
· 10 months ago
On the Nick Robinson thing. It seems he was responding to a question from an anchorman in the studio over possible political advantage......
From Iain Dale's site>
"Nick Robinson responded to a question from one of the BBC anchors, the fact that he even bothered to respond to such a disgraceful question was wrong.
So, I for one will not go easy on him, I do not know him personally, so I can only judge him on how he responded to the question.
It seems that the majority of the 'Westminster Village' insiders, are totally out of step with public opinion, biased political reporting is never good, and as we have just seen Mr Robinson has proved just how unethical he really is."
Guido you're wrong about this. The big difference is that it is personal, it's his son, he is human! To carry on with business as usual and pretend that Cameron losing his son was not personal would be crazy and the PM would be criticised for it. Right decision,.
there's one born every minute
· 10 months ago
Is anyone on here really fooled by Brown's performance earlier today?
You must be extremely gullible.
DevonChap
· 10 months ago
What's happened to Lib Dem Voice? It is stopped in amrk of respect to poorIvan? I get message "This Account Has Been Suspended Please contact the billing/support department as soon as possible. " when I try to see what the orange people are saying.
NeoLiberal
· 10 months ago
Look, if PMQs had gone ahead it would have been radically different to what we're all used to. Whoever stood in for Brown and Cameron would have had to be sober and concise. The cheap politcal pot-shots would be kept to a minimal, and there would be little stomach for jeering.
Bit of a shame when you think about it.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
Reading all this one could be forgiven for thinking PMQs is the only tool available to the Opposition for holding the Government to account. The day was only suspended for half an hour, and business went on as planned from 12.30 onwards. As for scoring political points, George Osborne is the real baddie: within minutes of the end of PMQs he was doing a whistle-stop tour of the BBC studios and touting stories about David's concern for families of other disabled children, expressed this very morning. George also shared memories of visiting Cameron's home and little Ivan being there (where else Osborne expected him to be he did not divulge).
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
Hugh Jorgan - I'm not going to accuse you of insensitivity, just pure ignorance. If you think the loss of a 6 day old child is somehow easier to bear than the loss of a 6 year old, then you are just ignorant.
As ever, this place is populated with cunts, and you're just another ignorant cunt.
mitch
· 10 months ago
Toenails has left a comment on his own blog:
"You'll see a number of comments have been removed by the moderators. Some of these relate to an untrue comment on another blog about my reporting, which itself has now been removed."
I'm not sure what he means. Which 'other blog' has been removed?
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
All references to Nick's reporting have been removed from this post:
I think it was right not to have PMQs today because of when Ivan's death happened. Even politicians are human.
Childprotector
· 10 months ago
Pity that the politicians only feel uncomfortable with Punch and Judy politics at a time like this. How about stopping the personal attacks, tediously negative criticism and non-answers at PMQs and growing up?
Princess Di
· 10 months ago
I see good old British emotional incontinence is alive and kicking.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
Dave has expressed his gratitude and admiration for the superb care young Ivan received at the hands of the NHS. I do hope that he is aware that, as a senior politician, his treatment will always be light years removed from that which us 'ordinary' folk put up with. For us, it's a lottery - maybe good, maybe adequate,maybe bloody awful. For them though, whether its Dave's child, or Bliar's heart problem, nothing but the best the NHS has to offer
Mandelson under attack from wi
· 10 months ago
OT
More trouble at the top of the Labour govt. Is Mandelson being set up by Brown:
I agree that PMQs should have been cancelled tody and I agree that Mr Brown did make a personal and moving comment as did others in the chamber.
However, as others have noted, I do get the strong sense that in some media outlets this awful event is still being 'spun' to make sure that Mr Cameron does not get all the attention and public sympathy.
Sickening.
Halo
· 10 months ago
'Fucking Delicious' you utter utter shit covered cunt stubble.
Fuck off and die.
The Beast Of Clerkenwell
· 10 months ago
You fucking wankers My best mate is having a huge chunk of his Mouth cut out in a couple of weeks, he has terminal cancer. He is at work right now, as is his wife as am I. Life goes on. I feel very sorry for Mr Cameron and his family. Its entirely understandable that he needs to be with his family at this time, supported by his friends, but what on earth has it got to to with the rest of the shower of shit that infest the HOC? Most would literaly stab him right between the shoulder blades given half a chance. They dont give a fuck about anybody other than themselves. A room full of sociopaths.
Maggie Thatcher's Iron Penis
· 10 months ago
The fuckwits denied their weekly wanking frenzy, a true tragedy.
Back to work/jobseeking you moronic twats.
Ambrose Evans' Prick
· 10 months ago
Germany's budget deficit for 2008 3bn euros, 0.13% of GDP. Britain's budget deficit for 2008 £73bn, 5.3% of GDP. Germany's fucked I tell yees, fucked! Was that alright Mr Benanke?
Aethelred
· 10 months ago
Cancelling PMQs was IMHO the right thing to do, for a change.
However, it is truly sickening to watch the BBC turn the Cameron's tragedy into a story about poor Gordon Brown.
I should not be surprised to see the bbc sink to this level, but I am and I am angry.
I will be watching the bbc news and will probably make a complaint. If anyone else feels the same, please complain too.
woman on a raft
· 10 months ago
Anyone working with an average number of children - nurse, teacher, other child care worker - will be familiar with the fact that sometimes, children die. Those working in children’s' hospices and in funeral services will confirm that it is a regrettably frequent event. In general, the world is required to keep running for the benefit of all the remaining children.
There can be reasons for shutting everything down - a traumatic murder sometimes needs a 24 hour time-out - but the anticipated death of a child with a life-limiting condition is not one of them. In that instance the parents and closely affected persons mourn, everyone sends condolences and gets on with their job.
There could be events of such public significance that it is necessary for parliament to reflect that and suspend its normal business. That is not what is happening here; the parliament is not reflecting and expressing public sentiment. It is saying: 'our grief is very great and you've all got to appreciate it'.
I don't recall parliament suspending itself last year when a friend buried a child who had died in a freak traffic accident. I don't recall it suspending itself when little K#, the child of a friend, died before a transplant became available, it didn't shut up shop for any of the recent murders, it didn't even walk out in disgust when Mark and Nicky Websters were told they couldn't get their children back, although the state had fucked up (yeah, accident, right) and stolen their children from them. It could still do something about that by authorizing the funds for an appeal to the House of Lords. Oh, sorry - it has done something. Jack Straw has put a frig in to try to make it imprisonable to talk about it whether you are a parent or the stolen child, or indeed if you are a child being abused in care. It's for your own good. Shut up or the state will punch you harder. Justice Ministry to bar parents from telling their own stories.
So excuse me not collapsing in to pathetically grateful state of emo that Parliament has finally realized what children mean to parents, because they haven't. If they had, they would be in there right now, furiously re-writing the 1989 Children Act to prohibit child-stealing by the state, sticking Jack Straw on a gibbet before he does any more damage, and whipping Harriet Harman for her failure to take action when she had the chance.
righty right wing (mrs)
· 10 months ago
Fucking delicious!
Even for a odious toad like you, your comment shows a complete lack of humanity.
Seek help.
Fucking delicious!
· 10 months ago
I'd like to apologise for my earlier comment. For those who have seen my contributions over the months and years you have probably realised that I am an unhappy soul with little to look forward to in life.
Fucking delicious! (sigh)
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
Draper pontificating on R5 about Blogs. He just cannot resist the self-promotion and hyping his vanity project. The words 'village' and 'idiot' spring to mind.
pp
· 10 months ago
May be if Hague was full time on the front bench he would have up to speed enough to have covered for Cameron.
Any one referring to PMQs as 'punch and judy' politics should be ashamed - we all know what happened to the baby there !!
But I agree with whoever (above) who said - maybe a more sombre tone in the house would have produced some answers from brown for a change.
Reg Varney
· 10 months ago
'Our grief is very great and you've all got to appreciate it'.
Well said, woman on a raft. What exposes vicarious grief for the humbug it largely is, is how quickly it becomes competitive and then acrimonious.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
Fucking malicious!
You are as about as funny as a stroke. Fuck off you jock hoon!
robbie
· 10 months ago
The son of the manse will have three more names to read out next week at PMQs in that sonorous tone. (Three soldiers killed in an explosion in Helmand province today) What total hypocrisy about ....every child is precious, no parent should have to endure the death of a child.... What about the parents of the 437 children killed in Gaza in Cast Lead? He is a patron of the Jewish National Fund and gives his support to Israel, apart from condoning the supply of arms by British companies.
Watcher
· 10 months ago
Mandleson couldn't resist finding something to bury today, could he?
From al-Beeb:
"Business Secretary, Lord Mandelson has introduced the controversial bill which would part-privatise the Royal Mail, a day earlier than expected."
As others have asked, cui bono?
Bill The Pill
· 10 months ago
You really are a twat.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
4.10
From all the weeping and wailing on this blog and across the media today it's clear that some children are more precious than others.
Most of it is holier-than-thou humbug though, when it comes down to it.
coelacanth
· 10 months ago
I see Toenails Robinson is still busy on the BBC trying to turn the Camerons bereavement into a story designed to gain sympathy for Gordon Brown.
Is Nick Robinson a shill for B
· 10 months ago
Nick Robinson getting stick on his own blog:
"I have just watched you (Robinson) on The Daily Politics and it is true that most of your contributions were constantly reiterating how Gordon Brown has suffered in the same way.
You seemed obsessed in your need to see that Brown did not lose out to Cameron in sympathy votes.
On a day when no one was interested in politics or political advantage including Brown the one person desperately reintroducing it was you. If you believe this to be unfair review the tapes."
over the 3 soldiers killed in afghanistan today...
justinf
· 10 months ago
and this is the very same parliament that voted against reducing the 28 week limit for abortions (medicine is now so advanced it can actually save premature 28 week babies..)
sick.
Halo
· 10 months ago
JMB - according to Quentin Letts Dennis Skinner was playing up during Hague's statement.
Sorry Guido you were wrong on this one as I'm sure you realised later - hence your update. Gordon Brown to his credit made a very moving speech.
JMB
· 10 months ago
Skinner was the one that I was thinking of.
Just confirms my opinion of him
pp
· 10 months ago
Just wanted to check - has everyone not directly involved go over it now?
So I hope you are all suitable embarrassed about your behaviour (I believe the medical term is 'Dianasteria') and welcome the return of normality.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
A tragedy in any family is always hard on those left behind, however for those thicko’s that can’t work it out.
Dying because of cerebral palsy and epilepsy is not a life choice one has!!!!
Joining the British Army IS!
pp
· 10 months ago
I see the press have started their campaign for David Camerons beatification - events have even given the BBC a chance to slyly reposition themselves.
God it makes my stomach churn.
I wonder how he really felt about Browns pantomime performance? Officially he has to say how grateful he is and how kind blah blah -- but I wonder if that is what he was really thinking...
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
What an utter bunch of fucking morons you are. I think Cameron is an A1 cunt. However, I felt huge remorse yesterday for him and his family. A tragic, tragic event and one where I prayed for Ivan and his parents last night.
You fucking imbeciles however, in your glorious wisdom, decide to just do your usual and call everyone cunts because "the show must go on". How many of you fucking cretins has ever felt the pain of loss?
Brown and Cameron have felt it in the worst way - the loss of a child. PMQs means shit next to that you horrible fucking people.
One look at that odious Osbourne's face yesterday as Hague read his statement summed it up - people were hurting.
If you lot could ever extract your vicious little heads from your stupid fucking arses for one minute jgm2, Mitch etc - you'd realise how out of touch with every sane, rational person in this country you are.
And Guido - you should be ashamed for stoking this up. You have a responsibility - as does every blogger with even 1 regular contributor - you obviously do not understand.
pp
· 10 months ago
Anon @ 8:15
Dying of natural causes is an unavoidable part of existence - it just happens.
Being killed by a bomb or bullet is avoidable and unnatural - it takes a brave individual to take that chance on our behalf.
Cuse
· 10 months ago
North Briton Hunter - well said.
Despicable, ranting and appalling. 3 words which describe the nasty, vicious following this blog has.
Advice to Guido's little jerking circle - Why don't you start a campaign to get Guido to ask your council for a referendum to demand you maintain all your present work commitments when a loved one dies and you're forced to return to work 'after a few days'. That'll keep you lot happy.
Criticising politicians when their children die - the new face of British 'libertarianism'.
Desperate Dan
· 10 months ago
"I believe the medical term is Dianasteria"
No its not. Its called empathy. The inability to empathise is usually classified as an aspect of psychoticism.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
"the death of a child is an unbearable sorrow that no parent should ever have to endure"
sounds like he's shaking his fist at his maker, perhaps he should have listened in Rome instead of preaching
jgm2
· 10 months ago
Anon 9:47
If you'd read what I said instead of going off on your own little hate-the-unbelievers rant you will see that I was suggesting Hague do the honours at PMQ. I 'get' that it will be tough for Cameron but that's no excuse to abandon the one chance we get every week (when he's not hiding in some foreign country) to quiz up the absolute cunt who has destroyed the UK's economy.
As for my profound cynicism as to the sincerity of the Labour abandonment of PMQ I see Mandelson has confirmed that my distrust in the Labour fuckers was not misplaced.
And no, sad as it is for Cameron, the death of a child does not put the running of the entire UK 'in perspective'. The show must go on. There's another 60 million of us whose lives have been and are continually being ruined on a daily basis. Folk driven to suicide by the despair this fucking gang of Labour arseholes have wrought on our economy through sheer fucking criminal negligence.
So take your sanctimonious faux empathy and shove it up your arse. You too Cuse.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
A delightful little boy with a severe disability who was never likely to live long has died. A terrible tragedy for his family, and very sad also for those who knew him (George Osborne, for example) and cared for him (the NHS staff). As far as cancelling PMQs is concerned, it was not wrong to cancel it, and it would not have been wrong to let it happen in Cameron's absence. Brown's condolences seemed sincere, but he was no doubt pleased also to have an excuse not to do PMQs for one week. The outpouring of emotion in the media is over the top: this was not a little boy who was known to the public. The postings of those who heap abuse on those who react to this story differently from them are thoroughly odious. People should be allowed to feel grief for the death of someone they did not know, of course, but it should not be compulsory.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
Such a pity they didn't postpone PMQ and continue with the Thatcher hanging.
What was that, portrait hanging? OK, pity that they didn't cancel that then.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
Gordon Brown's lost a child, and his new child has cystic fibrosis.
David Cameron's just lost a terminally ill child.
Both seem to have softened public opinion around them.
Do you think Nick Clegg was a bit peeved that his new baby came out healthy? "What, not even a funny hand like Jeremy Beadle?"
pp
· 10 months ago
You think Clegg needs some sympathy? Sounds like another text to Lord Ahmed.
p.s. How do you think the HoC would pretend to show their 'respect' for the offspring of a minor party leader? I guess they could just skip his questions at PMQs - not that any one would notice.
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In fact I can guarantee it will.
It is awful and horrendous that the Camerons have lost their wee son. And no-one in their right mind would expect the man to take his place.
But that's why there are deputies.
In a time of economic crisis, you can't stop the whole country because one individuals suffers a terrible event.
Of course Cameron would have had a stand in, so Gordon Brown may have chosen not to answer questions himself...
But who would the stand in be?
Harperson!
Just the one that Brown wants to keep out of the limelight at the moment.
With Brown you always have to consider the political tactic.
I immediatly lept to this site to reassure myself that even Guido would sneer at this tragic news. What a surprise.
One would also suspect that Guido would be a bit of a cunt for this, but I'm assuming that Guido has suffered the death of a child and got on quitely with his blogging.
Oh well
In my post on the news of Ivan i foresaw this and it just proves that Brown is a coward or the first order
I can believe it was Gordon Brown's 'suggestion' but I'm surprised Cameron went along with it. Although of course he may not be thinking quite straight just at the moment.
Definitely the wrong decision though. The show must go on. Shame for Cameron and all that but this government is fucking this country up on an hour-by-hour basis. They shouldn't be given a week off from scrutiny.
I was over on Wikipedia to reacquaint myself with the political capital Gordon Brown made of the 'Black Wednesday' ERM thing that did for the Tories.
Apparently that particular screw up cost the UK 3.4bn quid. Golly. Here's what Gordon Brown had to say...
'The shadow chancellor, Gordon Brown, said colossal errors of judgement by the prime minister and chancellor had betrayed the British people.'
And now we find that thanks to the fucking monumental errors of judgement by this prime-minister while chancellor that we are on the hook for 1,300,000,000 or 1,300bn quid just to keep the banks solvent.
Way-hey. Tories get thrown out for 13 years for one Black Wednesday but under Gordon Brown Every day is Black Wednesday. This needs saying every Wednesday until the election. Including today.
That doesn't make the decision right, but it could well be the wrong decision for the right reason.
Hague should have deputised and we may have got a more sober and thoughtful PMQs for once.
This is another example of more deference and accommodation being shown to the establishment compared to that shown to parents of dead service men and woman whose experience of grief would be no less horrible.
Every mention of this poor childs death is accompanied by the comment that Brown has suffered a similiar experience.
Are Labour terrified that the Tories are going to get a bounce from a huge wave of public sympathy?
What makes Cameron Jr so much more important than the thousands of others who die every day?
Cameron missing PMQ's is not the end of the world, the fact the torys have noone who can cover at short notice is truely shocking.
This is a personal tragedy, not a national one.
Every time brown reads out the names of the dead soldiers at the start of PMQ's in future he will be showing them contempt and disrespect.
My sympathy to *everyone* who has lost someone recently.
Of course its terrible the kid died. But how does suspending PMQs relate to that at all? Are the Tories such one trick ponies that they can't carry on without him?
So I think the majority here are wrong to condemn the cancellation/postponement.
New Labour Motto, If you dont answer the question you dont tell any lies.
PMQs couldn't possibly have gone ahead with a cloud of bereavement gloom for a child hanging over the proceedings. No-one would have had to stomach for normal yah boos, insults, jokes and shouting. Questions would have had to be rewritten to reflect the change of atmosphere. Cancelling it was the only thing they could do.
Every day this country is being dragged down, not just kneecapped, but economically and politically amputated. Hail a 1000 year New Labour!
Dave can take as long as he wants, needs, feels.
But this is Blighty - this is England.
Doing this at a highly charged political occasion is quite inappropriate and is clearly done for political propaganda purposes and also to unsettle any possible political attack on the issue of the moment.
It should be ended and the House given an opportunity to give sincere condolences at an appropriate time.
At the very least PMQs should continue with deputies all round - even if its tomorrow - but I see no reason why Brown should not still appear.
Brown handled that statement very well, actually.
If you say so. I can't bear to look or listen to the man any longer. My contempt and loathing for him knows no bounds nor indeed does the English language possess an adequate formulation of words to convey what an utter, utter, utter bastard the man (Brown) is. Doesn't even come close.
KNOT DEBATING MISTER PRESLEYDENTS' INORGYRAL SPEECH
FUNNY
INIT
So the 'mood of the House' now determines parliamentary procedure?
I think it probably does.
On a more cold hearted and practical note; I hope DC doesn't decide to step down. He's bullet proof right now and we need him to defeat Brown.
And in what way is his death more tragic and more deserving of reverential silence and passivity than the death of a British soldier, cut down in the prime of life, fighting in an alien land, for a botched civilization?
I bet you were one of the infantilised, over-sentimentalised cretins weeping crocodile tears over Diana too.
We could probably mock it up on this thread. What about Guido vs Draper?
Make sure every news report has copious mention of Gordon Browns loss from a few years ago. That should lessen the sympathy vote that the Tories are bound to get.
In war zones, soldiers are excused duty and flown home on compassionate grounds, such as bereavements, and - despite huge challenges - the RAF and other services do an amazing job in getting people home quickly when it really matters.
Some sympathy is appropriate for the Browns too, as they lost a newborn daughter some years ago. These tragedies never fade from memory.
Although a light may seem to have gone out in their lives, it will not have gone out in their memories, and the love and devotion the Camerons had for young Ivan will have brought him much happiness and fulfilment in his short life.
12.15 "i actually had tears during browns statement."
I bet you were one of the infantilised, over-sentimentalised cretins weeping crocodile tears over Diana too.
It'll get worse before it gets better. We have Jade Goody to look forward to yet. Buy shares in Interflora.
You fucking prick Guido!
To cancel PMQs is pathetic.
Brown's speech was straight out of the Blair book of concerned acting. It was totally inappropriate for the House of Commons.
Even on the TV Politics Show today we had an MP saying he'd moderate his comments in view of the bereavement. Just what are these people on?
Let's move the Commons and the Lords to Bradford and kill off this pathetic inward looking Westminster village forever.
What's it got to do with the fucking Brown's you sad, sentimentalised, infantile prick?
But some of the comments today have left me wondering what sort of people some of the posters here are.
Alan:
"bet you were one of the infantilised, over-sentimentalised cretins weeping crocodile tears over Diana too."
-The death of a child, and someone's sympathy over it, are not a bloody excuse for you to quip snide insensitive comments! What's the matter with you? If you can't see how somebody could feel sincere sympathy about this, you must emotionally barren.
Finally, in response to the general opinion here that PMQ's "shouldn't have been cancelled" - I disagree. This was an elegant and decent response from parliament. David Cameron's family have suffered a tragedy. Yes, its true other families suffer every day. But death of a leading MPs child like this becomes a metaphor for all our children.
This is parliament doing something honourable and decent. We should applaud it.
Hmmmm. Yeah. But. No. But. It would be a little contrived if they failed to mention Brown's dead kid too to be fair. Much as I loathe and detest Brown and much as the BBC are craven instruments of the Brown terror I still don't see how they could fail to mention, in passing, that Cameron's opposite number had had the same misfortune.
Do you write the soppy shite for Hallmark cards, you cheesy, infantilised, prick?
Brown:
I'll take no lessons on 'bereavement' from the member opposite. Under labour our military operations have increased bereavement to levels not seen since the second world war. And at home, our investment in social workers has ensured that even civilians have not missed out on this growth area.
Speaker Martin:
Order, Order let the members remember that a little child has died.
Lord Ahmed:
Well it bloody wasn't me this time.
Your turn...
Look - it didn't happen, right?
It was the right decision.
not just the people of iraq and aghanistan-
he sent our own soldiers out oto fight with inappropriate equipment just to 'get back' at tony blair!
how fucking soft in the head are the uk public?
Gordon brown only ever says or does things for the benefit of::::
Gordon fucking Brown!!!!!!!!
wake up...it's all a SHAM!!!!!!!!
Though the constant linking to Broons child that died is pointless.
It will all be forgotten by the time of the next election and Broon will be tried, judged and sentenced by the voters for his actions not for the tragic death of a child.
I wonder how many people are going through a simular tradgedy at the moment whilst also facing the re-possesion of their home or redundancy.
W.W.
The last time it happened was in 1995 when John Smith died. These moments are tragic and politics should take a back seat. No one is making political capital out of it.
I have always been aware that the majority of the readers of this blog are unpleasant, nasty little shits, but until now I didn't know quite how horrible they are.
Agreed.
It'll get worse before it gets better. We have Jade Goody to look forward to yet. Buy shares in Interflora.
February 25, 2009 12:33 P
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Shares in Digitalis might serve you better.
Can we not separate the man from the office? Of course it is right that DC didn't appear today - I would have been the first to condemn him if he had left his wife to deal with the aftermath of their loss alone.......But DC is not the entire opposition.......Hague, Clarke, any number of people could and should, have taken over today. The Government of 60 million people shouldn't fail to be held to account because one member of the house has lost a child - nor would it be offensive to the loss of that child in any way if it continued.
Brown has been very clever - by making the move to cancel, he left DC in the position of not being able to do anything other than accept - he would have been condemned for refusing the offer to cancel.
Damn this government and their mawkish sentimentality.
Why should Cameron not be 'at the helm for a few weeks'?
After a few days mourning he has to pick up the pieces and get back to work though he will live with the pain of his bereavement for the rest of his life. That's what us ordinary mortals do.
Wait until Jade pops her little cotton socks - they'll be a week of national bloody mourning!!
I truly feel for Cameron (who is surely one of the few decent politicians around) - my dog just died and that was hard enough to bear! Of course he should take some time off, but politics (much less reality) do not stop and I feel it is a dreadful insult to the British to imply that one man's child is a satisfactory reason for suspending what is left of publicly visible shreds of democracy.
The cut and thrust would have been totally out of place when we would have had statement of condolenses for someone who should have been there.
Brown read the mood right, the Tories accepted rightly and everyone comes out a bit better for it.
This is parliament doing something honourable and decent. We should applaud it.
This is a Labour government of occupation. They don't 'do' honourable and decent. We should be suspicious of it.
If there was more notice perhaps Hague should/could have stepped in and will do next week. Anyone who proposes Cameron should have been there today needs to stop and think about what they are saying first
wv: mumboo. Indeed she probably is.
It is nice to see that our politicians can, when necessary, behave with the sort of dignity that seemed to belong to Churchill and his era.
RIP Ivan.
Brown and Mandelson may be cynical, sociopathic bastards but they understand what makes many of the mawkish, over-sentimental British tick.
Princess Diana's death demonstrated the infantilism of many of the British public as does the ongoing nonsense over Saint Jade of Chavs.
Yep. And gotta keep them bankers in the frame too. Divert attention from the architect of the UK's financial catastrophe. Expect more show-trials and more ritual humiliation of bankers/withdrawal of bonuses etc while all the assembled fuckwits at the FSA, treasury and government continue to get their pay, perks and bonuses for the fucking sterling job they did.
Which, if I understood a little snippet I caught yesterday included that Moore bloke who dobbed Crosby in it. So he was even less fucking use in the FSA than he was at HBOS? How was that possible?
By the way - what happened to him (Moore) and his 20 or 30 documents linking Brown to the whole debacle? Are they stored with the Glenrothes 'marked' register?
Has he cut his wrists already. Fucking hell that was quick work.
What happened to Moore eh?
Fucking delicious!
Ivan died because he was very, very ill. So this death is different - MPs are human too, and the tributes that were paid, both to this young boy and his parents who must be inconsolable, and also to those who cared for him, spoke much more eloquently than any number of shouted questions. Both the PM and Leader of the Opposition have lost young children from illness. In a deeply cynical world it was great to hear words of praise and kindness from our elected representatives. Maybe that is the good that will have come out of this tragedy.
Not one poster on here has suggested that Cameron should have attended PMQs you stupid prick.
The suggestions were that Hague should have stood in as deputy.
Get your facts straight before you open your big mouth in future.
wv ronti - should be ranti!!
Exactly.
From Iain Dale's site>
"Nick Robinson responded to a question from one of the BBC anchors, the fact that he even bothered to respond to such a disgraceful question was wrong.
So, I for one will not go easy on him, I do not know him personally, so I can only judge him on how he responded to the question.
It seems that the majority of the 'Westminster Village' insiders, are totally out of step with public opinion, biased political reporting is never good, and as we have just seen Mr Robinson has proved just how unethical he really is."
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6214838&postID=1459690506667911170
You must be extremely gullible.
Please contact the billing/support department as soon as possible. " when I try to see what the orange people are saying.
Bit of a shame when you think about it.
As ever, this place is populated with cunts, and you're just another ignorant cunt.
"You'll see a number of comments have been removed by the moderators. Some of these relate to an untrue comment on another blog about my reporting, which itself has now been removed."
I'm not sure what he means. Which 'other blog' has been removed?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/nickrobinson/2009/02/promising_posti.html#commentsanchor
Spooky....
More trouble at the top of the Labour govt. Is Mandelson being set up by Brown:
http://broganblog.dailymail.co.uk/2009/02/is-mandys-p45-in-the-mail.html
However, as others have noted, I do get the strong sense that in some media outlets this awful event is still being 'spun' to make sure that Mr Cameron does not get all the attention and public sympathy.
Sickening.
Fuck off and die.
My best mate is having a huge chunk of his Mouth cut out in a couple of weeks, he has terminal cancer.
He is at work right now, as is his wife as am I. Life goes on.
I feel very sorry for Mr Cameron and his family.
Its entirely understandable that he needs to be with his family at this time, supported by his friends, but what on earth has it got to to with the rest of the shower of shit that infest the HOC?
Most would literaly stab him right between the shoulder blades given half a chance.
They dont give a fuck about anybody other than themselves.
A room full of sociopaths.
Back to work/jobseeking you moronic twats.
However, it is truly sickening to watch the BBC turn the Cameron's tragedy into a story about poor Gordon Brown.
I should not be surprised to see the bbc sink to this level, but I am and I am angry.
I will be watching the bbc news and will probably make a complaint. If anyone else feels the same, please complain too.
There can be reasons for shutting everything down - a traumatic murder sometimes needs a 24 hour time-out - but the anticipated death of a child with a life-limiting condition is not one of them. In that instance the parents and closely affected persons mourn, everyone sends condolences and gets on with their job.
There could be events of such public significance that it is necessary for parliament to reflect that and suspend its normal business. That is not what is happening here; the parliament is not reflecting and expressing public sentiment. It is saying: 'our grief is very great and you've all got to appreciate it'.
I don't recall parliament suspending itself last year when a friend buried a child who had died in a freak traffic accident. I don't recall it suspending itself when little K#, the child of a friend, died before a transplant became available, it didn't shut up shop for any of the recent murders, it didn't even walk out in disgust when Mark and Nicky Websters were told they couldn't get their children back, although the state had fucked up (yeah, accident, right) and stolen their children from them. It could still do something about that by authorizing the funds for an appeal to the House of Lords. Oh, sorry - it has done something. Jack Straw has put a frig in to try to make it imprisonable to talk about it whether you are a parent or the stolen child, or indeed if you are a child being abused in care. It's for your own good. Shut up or the state will punch you harder. Justice Ministry to bar parents from telling their own stories.
So excuse me not collapsing in to pathetically grateful state of emo that Parliament has finally realized what children mean to parents, because they haven't. If they had, they would be in there right now, furiously re-writing the 1989 Children Act to prohibit child-stealing by the state, sticking Jack Straw on a gibbet before he does any more damage, and whipping Harriet Harman for her failure to take action when she had the chance.
Even for a odious toad like you, your comment shows a complete lack of humanity.
Seek help.
Fucking delicious! (sigh)
pontificating on R5 about Blogs.
He just cannot resist the self-promotion and hyping his vanity project.
The words 'village' and 'idiot' spring to mind.
Any one referring to PMQs as 'punch and judy' politics should be ashamed - we all know what happened to the baby there !!
But I agree with whoever (above) who said - maybe a more sombre tone in the house would have produced some answers from brown for a change.
Well said, woman on a raft. What exposes vicarious grief for the humbug it largely is, is how quickly it becomes competitive and then acrimonious.
You are as about as funny as a stroke. Fuck off you jock hoon!
From al-Beeb:
"Business Secretary, Lord Mandelson has introduced the controversial bill which would part-privatise the Royal Mail, a day earlier than expected."
As others have asked, cui bono?
From all the weeping and wailing on this blog and across the media today it's clear that some children are more precious than others.
Most of it is holier-than-thou humbug though, when it comes down to it.
"I have just watched you (Robinson) on The Daily Politics and it is true that most of your contributions were constantly reiterating how Gordon Brown has suffered in the same way.
You seemed obsessed in your need to see that Brown did not lose out to Cameron in sympathy votes.
On a day when no one was interested in politics or political advantage including Brown the one person desperately reintroducing it was you.
If you believe this to be unfair review the tapes."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/nickrobinson/2009/02/ivans_death.html#commentsanchor
I was expecting one of the loonier left-wing MPs to take advantage of the situation but they all behaved well (or were not in the Chamber).
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2009/02/how-about-it-mr-brown.html
over the 3 soldiers killed in afghanistan today...
sick.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1155602/QUENTIN-LETTS-It-easy-He-did-dignity-Gordon-puts-politics-personal-tragedy-aside-remember-Ivan.html
Just confirms my opinion of him
So I hope you are all suitable embarrassed about your behaviour (I believe the medical term is 'Dianasteria') and welcome the return of normality.
Dying because of cerebral palsy and epilepsy is not a life choice one has!!!!
Joining the British Army IS!
God it makes my stomach churn.
I wonder how he really felt about Browns pantomime performance? Officially he has to say how grateful he is and how kind blah blah -- but I wonder if that is what he was really thinking...
You fucking imbeciles however, in your glorious wisdom, decide to just do your usual and call everyone cunts because "the show must go on". How many of you fucking cretins has ever felt the pain of loss?
Brown and Cameron have felt it in the worst way - the loss of a child. PMQs means shit next to that you horrible fucking people.
One look at that odious Osbourne's face yesterday as Hague read his statement summed it up - people were hurting.
If you lot could ever extract your vicious little heads from your stupid fucking arses for one minute jgm2, Mitch etc - you'd realise how out of touch with every sane, rational person in this country you are.
And Guido - you should be ashamed for stoking this up. You have a responsibility - as does every blogger with even 1 regular contributor - you obviously do not understand.
Dying of natural causes is an unavoidable part of existence - it just happens.
Being killed by a bomb or bullet is avoidable and unnatural - it takes a brave individual to take that chance on our behalf.
Despicable, ranting and appalling. 3 words which describe the nasty, vicious following this blog has.
Advice to Guido's little jerking circle - Why don't you start a campaign to get Guido to ask your council for a referendum to demand you maintain all your present work commitments when a loved one dies and you're forced to return to work 'after a few days'. That'll keep you lot happy.
Criticising politicians when their children die - the new face of British 'libertarianism'.
No its not. Its called empathy. The inability to empathise is usually classified as an aspect of psychoticism.
sounds like he's shaking his fist at his maker, perhaps he should have listened in Rome instead of preaching
If you'd read what I said instead of going off on your own little hate-the-unbelievers rant you will see that I was suggesting Hague do the honours at PMQ. I 'get' that it will be tough for Cameron but that's no excuse to abandon the one chance we get every week (when he's not hiding in some foreign country) to quiz up the absolute cunt who has destroyed the UK's economy.
As for my profound cynicism as to the sincerity of the Labour abandonment of PMQ I see Mandelson has confirmed that my distrust in the Labour fuckers was not misplaced.
And no, sad as it is for Cameron, the death of a child does not put the running of the entire UK 'in perspective'. The show must go on. There's another 60 million of us whose lives have been and are continually being ruined on a daily basis. Folk driven to suicide by the despair this fucking gang of Labour arseholes have wrought on our economy through sheer fucking criminal negligence.
So take your sanctimonious faux empathy and shove it up your arse. You too Cuse.
What was that, portrait hanging? OK, pity that they didn't cancel that then.
David Cameron's just lost a terminally ill child.
Both seem to have softened public opinion around them.
Do you think Nick Clegg was a bit peeved that his new baby came out healthy? "What, not even a funny hand like Jeremy Beadle?"
p.s. How do you think the HoC would pretend to show their 'respect' for the offspring of a minor party leader? I guess they could just skip his questions at PMQs - not that any one would notice.