As a father whose child died my thoughts and prayers are with him and his family.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
i am so sorry about this. My condolenses to David and his family at this time
mitch
· 10 months ago
That's truly terrible. Our hearts go out to them.
Ken
· 10 months ago
My sincere comisserations to the Camerons at this unbearably sad time for them.
I have just been angered to hear Nick "Toenails" Robinson say on the BBC that Cameron can't expect any electoral advantage from this tragic event "as Gordon Brown has already lost a child of his own".
How much lower in his propagandising for Labour can Robinson sink?
cassius
· 10 months ago
truly dreadful and shocking news. I am sure that many are thinking of and praying for the Camerons this morning.
Tamburlaine
· 10 months ago
God give him rest.
keith dovkunts
· 10 months ago
RIP little man.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
cancel pmqs
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
Our deep condolences to him and his family. This personal tragedy surpasses our political differences.
G Eagle Esq
· 10 months ago
Well written, Senor Mitch
Symathies to Mr & Mrs Cameron & their little ones
jgm2
· 10 months ago
Shame.
subrosa
· 10 months ago
How sad. The death of a child is every parent's nightmare. My sympathies to the Cameron family.
Nancy's stout
· 10 months ago
Very sad news, my thoughts are with Mr Cameron and his wife at such a terrible time, one of life's most dreadful experiences.
Mike Kingscott
· 10 months ago
That is very sad news; my condolences to him and his family. What a kick in the teeth :-(
Nipper
· 10 months ago
So sorry. Dreadfully sad news.
Man in a Shed
· 10 months ago
Very sorry to hear this.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
My condolenses to David and his Family on this terrible loss
Dick the Prick
· 10 months ago
All the best to the family. He was loved. Heartfelf condolences.
Swiss Bob
· 10 months ago
My condolences to the Camerons.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
Very sad indeed. Condolences to the Camerons.
strapworld
· 10 months ago
Our thoughts and prayers are with Mr and Mrs Cameron and family and friends. This is a sad, sad day.
Competitive Mourning
· 10 months ago
Not good.
jgm2
· 10 months ago
Ken said...
'I have just been angered to hear Nick "Toenails" Robinson say on the BBC that Cameron can't expect any electoral advantage from this tragic event "as Gordon Brown has already lost a child of his own".
Say it ain't so. Robinson's first thought is 'how will this play with the voters'?
P45 for Mr Robinson.
Snag
· 10 months ago
"I have just been angered to hear Nick "Toenails" Robinson say on the BBC that Cameron can't expect any electoral advantage from this tragic event "as Gordon Brown has already lost a child of his own"."
What use has Brown of electoral advantage? He never puts himself up for election.
Rightwinggit
· 10 months ago
Agree with anon, cancel PMQs
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
This is sad news, hope the press will leave David and his family alone at this time.
Curly
· 10 months ago
How tragic, their pain must be indescribable, my heart goes out to them.
Old Holborn
· 10 months ago
Awful.
My thoughts are with them.
Dick Cheese
· 10 months ago
This is not intended in any way to diminish the sad loss, but it will lead to an immediate 5 point bounce. The British electorate is, on the whole, incredibly stupid and responds to all kinds of irrelevant stimuli. An election tomorrow and Dave would walk it and so, incredibly, might Brown if the positions were reversed. Never underestimate the influence of ephemera on the Great British Psyche.
Jonathan Cook
· 10 months ago
Terrible news. Good luck to David Cameron and his family.
Kind regards,
Jonathan.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
How terribly sad.
"Bereavement is a darkness impenetrable to the imagination of the unbereaved."
Carlos
· 10 months ago
Sad news indeed. Rest in peace, little chap. My thoughts and prayers are with the family, friends and carers of Ivan.
As to that comment from Robinson mentioned above, I am utterly sickened. I would expect a full apology.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
Robinson's reported comments utterly disgust me.
LOL from Planet Mad!
· 10 months ago
Ken said: I have just been angered to hear Nick "Toenails" Robinson say on the BBC that Cameron can't expect any electoral advantage from this tragic event "as Gordon Brown has already lost a child of his own". ___________________________________
If this is true that must be he end...I cannot believe that anyone could say such a thing, perhaps thats the depths that ZanuLab sponsored Al Jabeebah has sunk to, bereft of morals and compassion.
Poor DC and his family, very sorry to hear the news. Otahara Syndrome is severe progressive and must keep the family on tenterhooks until the inevitable happens. How awful. Best wishes to them.
bergen
· 10 months ago
Very sad indeed.
Shocked.
· 10 months ago
How absolutely tragic for the Cameron family. Robinson et al can go screw themselves if they thought that there would be any political advantage to be gained from this.
Those of us who are parents will be holding our children a little closer tonight.
RIP Ivan Cameron.
Plato
· 10 months ago
What sad sad news.
beagleslovefags
· 10 months ago
I've been there Mr Cameron, so I understand exactly how you are feeling at the moment. So sorry to hear this.
Gladys Pew
· 10 months ago
I send my condolences too to David Cameron and his family. Losing a child is a worst nightmare, so very sad.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
Rest in peace little one.
Bingo
· 10 months ago
If Robinson has come out with that sort of rubbish he should bloody well be sacked.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
sad news
IUnknown
· 10 months ago
Such terrible, sad news... my prayers and sympathies to Mr Cameron and his family.
jgm2
· 10 months ago
As for cancel PMQ? No way. Just get Hague to stand in. While it is a tragedy for Cameron and his family in the brad scheme of things (ie the ongoing destruction of the UK economy by utterly incompetent sociopaths) it is a sadly daily, if not hourly, occurrence in the UK.
And if we want to get political about (a la Robinson) it it will be worth seeing how well Brown manages to feign any semblance of emotion at all about the death of the child of somebody he so passionately loathes. Because feign will be the word.
The Beast Of Clerkenwell
· 10 months ago
I hate to sound like a Hoon ,but whilst I sympathise with the Camerons let us not forget all the young men and women that Hoon Cameron voted to send to their deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan(plus the locals) An Iraqi child is worth no less than Camerons. Stop being so mawkish over a family that you dont know and who dont give a fuck about you and probably wouldnt invite you to dinner. HOONS! Fucking great PR though
Javelin
· 10 months ago
I have a disabled son. I would never think of electoral advantage. IfRobinson really said that it is the most insensitive thing I can believe. He cannot have a relationship with the next PM and should be sacked for making offensive comments.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
How utterly, utterly crass Mr Robinson. Hang your head in shame.
You clearly have never heard of the saying: "Some things are best left unsaid."
John Collier, John Collier - t
· 10 months ago
Sad news indeed. My thoughts are with the Camerons today
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
I second the condemnation of Robinson, if his remark has been reported accurately. Appalling taste. Where was it made, so I can check for myself?
disgusted
· 10 months ago
Doesn't sound like sympathy, Beast.
Raedwald
· 10 months ago
My thoughts and prayers are with the wee man's parents and family. God rest.
Henry North London
· 10 months ago
To lose a child is terrible
Goodnight Vienna
· 10 months ago
Absolutely terrible news - heartfelt sympathy to the Camerons on the loss of their little boy.
How shocking of Toenails to put a political spin on this - he'd have done better to keep his mouth shut.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
If Nick Robinson said that, he's less sensitive than Jonathan Ross. What next, a good day to bury bad news?
JuliaM
· 10 months ago
Anyone, no matter what their politics, couldn'tfail to have anything but sympathy for the Camerons.
At least, that's what I thought:"I have just been angered to hear Nick "Toenails" Robinson say on the BBC that Cameron can't expect any electoral advantage from this tragic event "as Gordon Brown has already lost a child of his own"."
Christ! Just when you thought the Beeb couldn't sink any lower...
Rightwinggit
· 10 months ago
Can we start a campaign to get robinson sacked?
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
I have just been angered to hear Nick "Toenails" Robinson say on the BBC that Cameron can't expect any electoral advantage from this tragic event "as Gordon Brown has already lost a child of his own".
Just let the bastard repeat that on his blog. He wants stringing up.
God bless little fella.
The Dirty Rat
· 10 months ago
This will be with them for life - RIP.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
May you now rest peacefully little Ivan.
Dick the Prick
· 10 months ago
Toenails needs to apologize or FUCK OFF.
Or do both frankly.
MisterE
· 10 months ago
Very sad news for the Cameron family... can't even begin to imagine what they're going through.
As for Nick Robinson - did he genuinely say that?! It's disgusting, if he did... the man should be ashamed of himself.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
There should be a petition demanding Robinson's immediate dismissal
Praguetory
· 10 months ago
Ivan will be in the Fisher family's prayers today.
bofl
· 10 months ago
Beast- you make a valid point.
None of the 646 give a shit about sacrificing our children for whatever lunatic cause .........
i don't like to see children suffer whatever their parents are like... but if the 646 suffered a bit then they might (doubtful) start acting like decent people?
Unsworth
· 10 months ago
If Robinson did actually utter those words he should be fired immediately. Utterly disgusting sentiments from an utterly unprincipled hack.
Is this really the standard of behaviour and reporting espoused by our national broadcaster? I think it almost certainly is.
And my profound sympathies to David and Samantha Cameron who should be left in peace at this time.
Sad news
· 10 months ago
What can one say at such sad news except: Heartfelt condolences to the Camerons.
Shirking From Home
· 10 months ago
Beast - harsh but very fair.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
If Robinson did say that then it is utterly disgusting; he has gone too far this time.
He has to be sacked.
no longer anonymous
· 10 months ago
How awful, my synpathies are with the Camerons.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
Something tells me Gordon Brown's going to show the world his massive insensitivity with a stray comment at PMQ's without realising.
Hopefully the Cameron's will get some privacy for what must be a very difficult time.
acadman
· 10 months ago
Sometimes you see severely disabled children being cared for by their parents and at that moment you realise how very lucky you are. Horribly sad.
Robinson should be sacked immediately. I can not believe he said that.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
I have just left a complaint about Robinson's comments at:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/
May I suggest that everyone else who find such comments highly offensive does the same.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
Sad sad day for the family. Shame.
http://www.cctvstar.blogspot.c
· 10 months ago
A sad day indeed.
pintandapisstheorist
· 10 months ago
Burying your child should never happen - I believe Cameron to be a good family man and he will be devastated.
I would guess that he would rather that the death was his own which, as a father myself, I would.
Therefore, no politicking please - this man's grief is intensified by being in the public eye - can't we just let him have the dignity of his genuine emotions without polluting the atmosphere with unassociated comments?
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
What price a stealth announcement about Lord Ahmed and Caroline Spelman ? Nasty, but it is how the politicians operate.
Deepest and heartfelt condolences to the Cameron family.
righty right wing (mrs)
· 10 months ago
My sincerest condolences to the family.
Losing a child is a truly awful experience.
Nick Robinson - I am lost for words at what you said - how could you?
Some events transcend the propaganda direktives you follow from Downing Street - this is one of them you truly awful little man.
This was not an opportunity to serve your master.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
I'm as offended as anyone about Robinson's reported remarks, but it sounds to me as though he was responding to an equally crass question from an anchor.
I think we should find out the actual quote and its context, so we can complain properly.
cesars wife
· 10 months ago
perhaps blogg land isnt the right place , but really sorry for the camerons in there loss, little ivan was ill in hospital a number of times with ceasures. whatever the press monster says , its still a family matter.
we useually make a lot of cruel comments on here partly out of frustration at government.
Today dave and in the comming days , we dont own your life and i for one hope that you take the time to mourn and come to terms .
yellowbelly
· 10 months ago
My sympathies go to the Cameron family today.
Does anyone have a link to the reported comments by Nick Robinson?
I can't believe even he would be that crass?
McLovin
· 10 months ago
DO NOT CANCEL PMQs,
Gordon Brown and his Knob jockey pals has to be held to account every single week.
In-fact Brown should have to good grace not to duck out because DC is not there and go toe to toe with Hague.
Cameron would want that.
iain
· 10 months ago
Poor kid. Hope the Cameron's privacy is respected and they find comfort in their family and friends at this time.
As for Robinson. Hang your head.
Guido 'despairs' of me and oth
· 10 months ago
Poor little lad
I can't believe Political Commissar Robinson actually referred to a lack of political advantage for Cameron, but who would be truly surprised if it is true?
Peter Grimes
· 10 months ago
Ken 9.43 am a propos Robinson's comments.
The difference between Brown's loss of his son and the equally tragic loss of the Cameron family, is that Ivan Cameron's closeness to death was not put all over the papers.
My condolences to the Cameron family. I too lost my first son.
Benny
· 10 months ago
Does anyone have proof that Robinson said this or heard him say it?
Devastating news regarding Cameron
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
Tragic. Poor boy and poor man (& wife).
falling leaves
· 10 months ago
pintandapisstheorist
February 25, 2009 10:39 AM
I associate myself with that,.
trevorsden
· 10 months ago
Go piss off beast of clerkenwell. Soldiers know the risk when they join up - it is the duty of govt to order troops into action. The real criticism is if they do not equip troops properly for the mission and simply mouth empty support. Thats where labour stand condemned.
"I have just been angered to hear Nick "Toenails" Robinson say on the BBC that Cameron can't expect any electoral advantage from this tragic event "as Gordon Brown has already lost a child of his own"."
No surprise there - the ignoramuses. Likewise all the Labourites who were happy to misrepresent and say Cameron was using his 'family' for political purposes should be sickened now. (Thats Brown of course)
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
Horrible news for the Cameron fmaily. Our thoughts are with them.
I am sure that most people put political point-scoring to one side on hearing such tragic news. If Robinson said such a thing within twenty four hours of the death of Cameron's son, that is truly appalling.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
Robinson on News 24 [bbc] NOW..
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
God bless, little one.
In lighter news, Lord Ahmed has just been banged up.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
Condolences to the Camerons.
Robinson should be strung up .
jon dee
· 10 months ago
Sad,sad news.
Throbber
· 10 months ago
My condolences to the Camerons. I cannot begin to imagine their hurt right now.
Aye We Can !
· 10 months ago
So sad to hear this.
I like Dave Cameron and his famiy. so sad
If its any consoltion at al, the same thing happened to Abe lincoln at the height of the civil war. His beloved 11 year old son Willie Wallace Lincoln struck down near ovenight by Typhoid
Abe went on to win and to greatness, but never forgot young Willie - he was inspired by his memory to do better
May god be with the Camerons on this saddest of days
woman on a raft
· 10 months ago
With deepest sympathy to the Cameron family.
talwin
· 10 months ago
"I'm as offended as anyone about Robinson's reported remarks, but it sounds to me as though he was responding to an equally crass question from an anchor" 10.41am
Not good enough. If it happened like that, Robinson's reply should have treated the question with the contempt it so obviously deserved and been peremptorily dismissed.
Robinson = cunt.
Dick Cheese
· 10 months ago
Well said Mr Beast. Let it not be forgotten amidst all this outpouring of grief that Cameron has always been very keen to send British soldiers to far away shit holes to kill their much loved children. I also don't recall him getting overly exercised about the death of hundreds of poor little mites in the Lebanon or Gaza. Neither have I ever been overly impressed by Cameron's formulaic, insincere responses at PMQs when the weekly deaths of British soldiers are announced. Cameron is just another machine politician with much innocent blood on his hands. The death of his adored son is a personal tragedy for him and his family. That is all it is. Unless you actually know him and can tell him directly, what point is served by directing meaningless sympathy into the ether. And, as the Beast pithily pointed out, an Iraqi child, (or anybody else's) is worth no less than his. Ersatz, vicarious grief is more than my stomach can take and latterly this Country has become awash with it. Pompous pricks think that it behoves them to send their personal condolences to people they have never met and who wouldn't give a rotting turd for them in return. It seems that every tin- pot politician, official, policeman or spokesman feels compelled to greet every death by prefacing their responses with formula- speak, insincere phrases such as "we are thinking about... our hearts go out to....my thoughts are with...." and other such mawkishness. Virtually every single contributor to the radio in the last hour has begun by parroting these silly, overblown and largely empty remarks. Such nonsense reaches its apotheosis when quarter- wits feel that it is important that they personally ring Radio Hemel Hempstead Evening Swingalong to say " I would just like to offer my condolences to the people of India /insert latest tragedy. My heart and prayers..... etc." Get over yourselves.
jac
· 10 months ago
All parents' worst nightmare. Deepest sympathy to Samantha and David Cameron.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
Typical fucking Beeb, even deaths are framed as to whether they confer political advantage to their political masters
BJ
· 10 months ago
First of all: I was desperately sad to hear the news, and my thoughts are with the Cameron family today.
Second of all: Here is a transcript of what Nick Robinson said on the BBC News Channel shortly after the news was announced. I'm doing this not because I've been told to by a BBC boss, but because I want to defend the reputation of my colleague against the totally untrue slurs made by Ken at 0943.
"There is now an extraordinary bond between the PM and the leader of the opposition who, let's be honest, are not great fans of each other personally. It is rare in these days to lose a child, and to lose a child young, and yet both the PM and the man who would be PM, David Cameron, have. Remember that Gordon Brown in rather similar circumstances had to deal with the loss of his first child, baby Jennifer, who died of course much younger, I think she was ten days old. And he had to live with that grief, and the fact that that grief would shape who he was and he would be asked questions about it. And this is very unusual indeed in public life to have two figures who've both lived through this sort of tragedy."
Bill
· 10 months ago
Dick Cheese - appropriate name, as that is what your head is clearly stuffed with.
You have little to say, yet spew out so many words to say it.
BJ
· 10 months ago
I'll say it again:
Nick was not asked, nor did he answer, any questions about how Ivan's death would affect David Cameron's political standing.
Rosie Cotton
· 10 months ago
Sleep well, little one.
Benny
· 10 months ago
BJ, thanks for clearing that up.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
Using the death of a child to whip up false accusations against the BBC.
Classy stuff
mitch
· 10 months ago
BJ - identify yourself.
Are you sure about Toenails? Our listeners seem pretty sure what he said.
jgm2
· 10 months ago
Anonymous said...
Using the death of a child to whip up false accusations against the BBC.
Our thoughts and prayers are with the Camerons. Terribly sad.
Aye We Can !
· 10 months ago
give it up for a day at least. Young Ivan is dead, Every please show respect.
Moderator please - dont publish this stuff
Ken
· 10 months ago
Quote: "Go piss off beast of clerkenwell. Soldiers know the risk when they join up - it is the duty of govt to order troops into action."
ONLY if the war is in a just cause.
If you have to lie to justify the war, then the war is NOT JUST!
Servicemen's lives have been sacrificed for a series of blatant and deliberate lies.
Lies which the Tories SHOULD have seen through, but they have the convenient cover of knowing that the Labour Cabinet was lied to by Blair as well. It was NOT poor or faulty intelligence, it was deliberately falsified intelligence by people in the whitehouse Iraq Group. The Office of Special Plans, Rockingham and elsewhere. These were offices set-up by the Administrations on the UK and the USA and others to specifically create a case FOR invasion. They were NOT established to discover the truth, but to examine the intelligence and using that, build a case for war using whatever information they could get away with and suppress all caveats and counter-arguments. These were political offices external to the national intelligence frameworks of the nations involved, but they had access at the very highest level to the intelligence staff, with the backing of the President, Vice President and defence secretary of the USA and the Prime Minister of the UK, these people made their wishes and goals known to the intelligence chiefs very forcefully. In the UK the head of the JIC was promoted for his complicity in massaging intelligence to fit the case for war.
The MI6 and CIA grunts on the ground and the other international experts in the field were routinely questioning the false claims that came out of these external political offices. EVERY major claim of WMD was debunked.
Our troops were sacrificed for a series of lies.
My deepest and sincerest condolences are with the Cameron Family
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
BJ 11.28 and 11.28
Your defence of toe nails Robinson is a bit lame.
By your own account Robinson was reporting on the sad death of the Cameron youngster yet spent most of his time talking about Brown whose loss took place several years ago.
It sounds to me like Robinson was keen to prevent Cameron from getting the sympathy vote.
jgm2
· 10 months ago
Ken said...
Bang on Ken. And when they put poor old Colin Powell up before the UN with the sum-total of his 'damning evidence' - a picture of a 'chemical weapons' truck (or truck as it looked like to me) and a radio conversation between Corporal Rashid and Sargeant Mahmood where one told the other not to go on over the radio about 'chemicals'....
That's it? That's all you've got?
Huh? Where's the Kennedy picture of missiles that got shoved under the Russians noses eh?
For this we go to war?
Pure cynicism on the part of Bush/Blair. They'd seen what a 'successful' war did for Thatcher's popularity and they thought they'd organise one of their own to boost their own popularity.
So they did.
With Bush it was personal. With Blair it was pure opportunism.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
"I have just been angered to hear Nick "Toenails" Robinson say on the BBC that Cameron can't expect any electoral advantage"
- What a nasty bastard that Robinson is - more worried about the effect on his friends in No.10 - just couldn't keep his mouth SHUT.
laughing at gordon
· 10 months ago
Very sad news indeed. Condolences to the family.
Andy
· 10 months ago
I've been there, I know how wretched it is...
Did Prick Robinson really say those things?
Tuscan Tony
· 10 months ago
Oh no. Our deepest sympathies are with David and Samantha at this appalling time.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
mitch at 11:49:
"Are you sure about Toenails? Our listeners seem pretty sure what he said."
Actually, only one person (Ken) described Robinson's comments in that way. Everything else has been built on the assumption that Ken's report was accurate. It wasn't, so IMO Robinson deserves an apology. But no doubt he won't get it, the blogosphere being what it is.
Toryteenager
· 10 months ago
Very sorry to hear about the death of Ivan Cameron. Here at Toryteenager, our thoughts are all with the Cameron Family. RIP Ivan.
Shirking From Home
· 10 months ago
Dick Cheese 11:21
Very well put. Seems Saint Tony started the 'tradition' of mawkishness, competitive mourning and crassness on an industrial scale with the "People's Princess" nonsense.
judith
· 10 months ago
I heard the Prime Minister make his statement about Ivan Cameron, and have to say that for the first time ever, he sounded sincere - no stumbles or stuttering, but a genuine condolence from the father of one disabled child to another.
And I guess that is the first and last complimentary posting about GB that there will ever be from me.
Labour spinning through Robins
· 10 months ago
1.00pm
Robinson has been busy on TV and radio all morning implying that Cameron won't get political advantage, and trying to make sure he doesn't, by constantly referring to Brown's bereavement of a few years back.
mitch
· 10 months ago
1:00pm
Fair enough. We don't know for sure either way. I guess it could easily be clarified.....?
Pugwash
· 10 months ago
with sympathy... be strong... G_d bless..
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
Get toenails out
James
· 10 months ago
"I have just been angered to hear Nick "Toenails" Robinson say on the BBC that Cameron can't expect any electoral advantage from this tragic event "as Gordon Brown has already lost a child of his own"."
Nick Robinson wasn't even broadcasting of any of the BBC channels between the news breaking at 09.26am and this commenter's post at 09.43am.
I know, I've checked the tapes.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
Mitch 1.45
It's not really fair enough. Someone on Iain Dale refers to some comments Robinson made in response to a BBC anchorman in the studio about gaining the sympathy vote:
"Nick Robinson responded to a question from one of the BBC anchors, the fact that he even bothered to respond to such a disgraceful question was wrong.
So, I for one will not go easy on him, I do not know him personally, so I can only judge him on how he responded to the question.
It seems that the majority of the 'Westminster Village' insiders, are totally out of step with public opinion, biased political reporting is never good, and as we have just seen Mr Robinson has proved just how unethical he really is."
Never take anything the BBC says at face value. Always get independent verification. And that goes for their toadies, cronies and lackies as well
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
Fucking hell. This might sound strange, but until today I'm afraid that all of the childish bickering between parties and the incessant point-scoring had lead me to completely forget that Britain's political figures are human. Condolences to David and his family.
FuckThebbc
· 10 months ago
Not good enough BJ.
The fuckwit Robinson turned the news of the Camerons' tragic loss into a story about Gordon Brown.
Fuck you, fuck Robinson and fuck all the lefty cunts at the bbc.
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
David Cameron is (after the politics) - a very decent human being and a father.
Some of the tattle going on is a complete disgrace.
Peter Grimes
· 10 months ago
James 2.07 pm
I would not be at all surprised to find you worked for Al-JaBeeba given your illiterate post. You and the BBC go well together!
Steve
· 10 months ago
ha, fascinating. Now that the comments by Toenails have been debunked, the hate continues through grasping at "implied" agenda. Perhaps it is a little hypocritical for so many of you to compain about bias?
(by the way, before anyone accuses me of being a Brownite, i have hated New Labour since the moment I first heard of it!)
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
sincere condolences to David and his family
DGM
· 10 months ago
C'mon guys, there should be nothing on here accept condolencies, character assasinations and politics can wait for another time. Our sympathy goes to the Camerons
electro-kevin
· 10 months ago
My sympathies.
Minekiller
· 10 months ago
My heartfelt condolences to the Cameron family for the loss of their little boy Ivan.
J.J.
· 10 months ago
That's so sad. I give my prayers and symphathies to the Camerons.
The Two-Minute Hate
· 10 months ago
You're angry at the insensitivity of the Robinson creep? You sickeningly sanctimonious slippery snakes.
Who do we send the pizza to?
Cynosarges
· 10 months ago
Ken (February 25, 2009 9:43 AM) reported that he heard 'Nick "Toenails" Robinson say on the BBC that Cameron can't expect any electoral advantage from this tragic event "as Gordon Brown has already lost a child of his own".'
I note that the 'reasonable' face of The Guardian's NuLab apologists used almost exactly the same wording in an article in Wednesday's Guardian online.
A suspicious mind might well consider that we are seeing Mandleson's spin machine distributing the "line" for their tame commentators to parrot.
Any other occurrences of this spin seen???
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
Pisspoor comment from the Twat of Clerkenwell, utter puerile [sic] logic.
WV: uncut
Anonymous
· 10 months ago
"Ken (February 25, 2009 9:43 AM) reported that he heard 'Nick "Toenails" Robinson say on the BBC that Cameron can't expect any electoral advantage from this tragic event "as Gordon Brown has already lost a child of his own".'
But Ken was lying though (got to wonder about someone who's first thought on hearing of the death of Cameron's disabled son is 'this is a good day to start spreading some shit about Nick Robinson' well done to him though, the story's certainly done the rounds)
A couple of the other blogs he was offering his wisdom to have retracted posts they've made, good to see you lot are still at it.
Not only did Michael White echo this line, but Robin Lustig also used it on "The World Tonight". Either the BBC has only one writer for all it's political news (and he has a spare-time job with the Guardian) or we have apparent evidence that NuLabour was cynically conducting a spin operation against Cameron.
sitush
· 10 months ago
It is sad, for sure, but no more sad than the loss of any other child to any other family & should not be raised to any higher level because that then demeans those other families. I find this mawkishness, which seems to have burgeoned since the death of Diana, most obscene. I'm sorry, but it is not as if the Cameron family are anything special to deserve this ridiculous outpouring of emotion - do these contributors weep daily at every entry in the Deaths column of a newspaper? Perhaps they are all from Liverpool? (Apologies to the rational Liverpudlians, but that city does have a certain reputation in recent years for extreme communal reactions regarding non-personal events - and it devalues the entire canon).
How many of the "oozing sympathy" idiots above actually have any understanding or any genuine concern? Some, for sure, but not many. It is easy to write a note in order to make yourself feel better.
I was born disabled, by the way, and apparently have a limited span - which I am testing hard! I want no sympathy, and most certainly would hope that communal fantasists and emotional degenerates keep well away from my family when the INEVITABLE happens.
This is a private moment, as is all death. The Cameron family have asked for privacy and yet still the outpourings from meaningless, disconnected people continues. Do you really think that it adds anything to the sum of what is a very personal, very intense, very private event?
Robinson was right on this one. He has to treat it in an emotionally neutral way and report it in the context of his specialism. To do otherwise would be to exhibit far more bias than the accusations levelled at him here.
DaveA
· 10 months ago
I am sure we cannot even begin to understand the pain and desolation that the Camerons are feel.
May God rest his soul.
Stu Palmer
· 10 months ago
creepy display fake of emotion on here. Everyone doing their best to menstruate in true guardian fashion.
leave DC and family their privacy and get back to the politics
emotionally incontinent engerl
· 9 months ago
yeah
ivan you were the queen of peoples hearts
im going to cash my benefit cheque in your honour little man
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I have just been angered to hear Nick "Toenails" Robinson say on the BBC that Cameron can't expect any electoral advantage from this tragic event "as Gordon Brown has already lost a child of his own".
How much lower in his propagandising for Labour can Robinson sink?
Symathies to Mr & Mrs Cameron & their little ones
'I have just been angered to hear Nick "Toenails" Robinson say on the BBC that Cameron can't expect any electoral advantage from this tragic event "as Gordon Brown has already lost a child of his own".
Say it ain't so. Robinson's first thought is 'how will this play with the voters'?
P45 for Mr Robinson.
What use has Brown of electoral advantage? He never puts himself up for election.
My thoughts are with them.
The British electorate is, on the whole, incredibly stupid and responds to all kinds of irrelevant stimuli. An election tomorrow and Dave would walk it and so, incredibly, might Brown if the positions were reversed. Never underestimate the influence of ephemera on the Great British Psyche.
Kind regards,
Jonathan.
"Bereavement is a darkness impenetrable to the imagination of the unbereaved."
As to that comment from Robinson mentioned above, I am utterly sickened. I would expect a full apology.
I have just been angered to hear Nick "Toenails" Robinson say on the BBC that Cameron can't expect any electoral advantage from this tragic event "as Gordon Brown has already lost a child of his own".
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If this is true that must be he end...I cannot believe that anyone could say such a thing, perhaps thats the depths that ZanuLab sponsored Al Jabeebah has sunk to, bereft of morals and compassion.
Poor DC and his family, very sorry to hear the news. Otahara Syndrome is severe progressive and must keep the family on tenterhooks until the inevitable happens. How awful. Best wishes to them.
Those of us who are parents will be holding our children a little closer tonight.
RIP Ivan Cameron.
And if we want to get political about (a la Robinson) it it will be worth seeing how well Brown manages to feign any semblance of emotion at all about the death of the child of somebody he so passionately loathes. Because feign will be the word.
An Iraqi child is worth no less than Camerons.
Stop being so mawkish over a family that you dont know and who dont give a fuck about you and probably wouldnt invite you to dinner.
HOONS!
Fucking great PR though
You clearly have never heard of the saying: "Some things are best left unsaid."
My thoughts are with the Camerons today
Where was it made, so I can check for myself?
How shocking of Toenails to put a political spin on this - he'd have done better to keep his mouth shut.
At least, that's what I thought:"I have just been angered to hear Nick "Toenails" Robinson say on the BBC that Cameron can't expect any electoral advantage from this tragic event "as Gordon Brown has already lost a child of his own"."
Christ! Just when you thought the Beeb couldn't sink any lower...
Just let the bastard repeat that on his blog. He wants stringing up.
God bless little fella.
Or do both frankly.
As for Nick Robinson - did he genuinely say that?! It's disgusting, if he did... the man should be ashamed of himself.
None of the 646 give a shit about sacrificing our children for whatever lunatic cause .........
i don't like to see children suffer whatever their parents are like...
but if the 646 suffered a bit then they might (doubtful) start acting like decent people?
Is this really the standard of behaviour and reporting espoused by our national broadcaster? I think it almost certainly is.
And my profound sympathies to David and Samantha Cameron who should be left in peace at this time.
He has to be sacked.
Hopefully the Cameron's will get some privacy for what must be a very difficult time.
Robinson should be sacked immediately. I can not believe he said that.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/
May I suggest that everyone else who find such comments highly offensive does the same.
I would guess that he would rather that the death was his own which, as a father myself, I would.
Therefore, no politicking please - this man's grief is intensified by being in the public eye - can't we just let him have the dignity of his genuine emotions without polluting the atmosphere with unassociated comments?
Deepest and heartfelt condolences to the Cameron family.
Losing a child is a truly awful experience.
Nick Robinson - I am lost for words at what you said - how could you?
Some events transcend the propaganda direktives you follow from Downing Street - this is one of them you truly awful little man.
This was not an opportunity to serve your master.
I think we should find out the actual quote and its context, so we can complain properly.
we useually make a lot of cruel comments on here partly out of frustration at government.
Today dave and in the comming days , we dont own your life and i for one hope that you take the time to mourn and come to terms .
Does anyone have a link to the reported comments by Nick Robinson?
I can't believe even he would be that crass?
Gordon Brown and his Knob jockey pals has to be held to account every single week.
In-fact Brown should have to good grace not to duck out because DC is not there and go toe to toe with Hague.
Cameron would want that.
As for Robinson. Hang your head.
I can't believe Political Commissar Robinson actually referred to a lack of political advantage for Cameron, but who would be truly surprised if it is true?
The difference between Brown's loss of his son and the equally tragic loss of the Cameron family, is that Ivan Cameron's closeness to death was not put all over the papers.
My condolences to the Cameron family. I too lost my first son.
Devastating news regarding Cameron
February 25, 2009 10:39 AM
I associate myself with that,.
Soldiers know the risk when they join up - it is the duty of govt to order troops into action. The real criticism is if they do not equip troops properly for the mission and simply mouth empty support.
Thats where labour stand condemned.
"I have just been angered to hear Nick "Toenails" Robinson say on the BBC that Cameron can't expect any electoral advantage from this tragic event "as Gordon Brown has already lost a child of his own"."
No surprise there - the ignoramuses. Likewise all the Labourites who were happy to misrepresent and say Cameron was using his 'family' for political purposes should be sickened now. (Thats Brown of course)
I am sure that most people put political point-scoring to one side on hearing such tragic news. If Robinson said such a thing within twenty four hours of the death of Cameron's son, that is truly appalling.
In lighter news, Lord Ahmed has just been banged up.
Robinson should be strung up .
I like Dave Cameron and his famiy. so sad
If its any consoltion at al, the same thing happened to Abe lincoln at the height of the civil war. His beloved 11 year old son Willie Wallace Lincoln struck down near ovenight by Typhoid
Abe went on to win and to greatness, but never forgot young Willie - he was inspired by his memory to do better
May god be with the Camerons on this saddest of days
Not good enough. If it happened like that, Robinson's reply should have treated the question with the contempt it so obviously deserved and been peremptorily dismissed.
Robinson = cunt.
Cameron is just another machine politician with much innocent blood on his hands. The death of his adored son is a personal tragedy for him and his family. That is all it is. Unless you actually know him and can tell him directly, what point is served by directing meaningless sympathy into the ether. And, as the Beast pithily pointed out, an Iraqi child, (or anybody else's) is worth no less than his.
Ersatz, vicarious grief is more than my stomach can take and latterly this Country has become awash with it. Pompous pricks think that it behoves them to send their personal condolences to people they have never met and who wouldn't give a rotting turd for them in return. It seems that every tin- pot politician, official, policeman or spokesman feels compelled to greet every death by prefacing their responses with formula- speak, insincere phrases such as "we are thinking about... our hearts go out to....my thoughts are with...." and other such mawkishness. Virtually every single contributor to the radio in the last hour has begun by parroting these silly, overblown and largely empty remarks. Such nonsense reaches its apotheosis when quarter- wits feel that it is important that they personally ring Radio Hemel Hempstead Evening Swingalong to say " I would just like to offer my condolences to the people of India /insert latest tragedy. My heart and prayers..... etc."
Get over yourselves.
Second of all: Here is a transcript of what Nick Robinson said on the BBC News Channel shortly after the news was announced. I'm doing this not because I've been told to by a BBC boss, but because I want to defend the reputation of my colleague against the totally untrue slurs made by Ken at 0943.
"There is now an extraordinary bond between the PM and the leader of the opposition who, let's be honest, are not great fans of each other personally. It is rare in these days to lose a child, and to lose a child young, and yet both the PM and the man who would be PM, David Cameron, have. Remember that Gordon Brown in rather similar circumstances had to deal with the loss of his first child, baby Jennifer, who died of course much younger, I think she was ten days old. And he had to live with that grief, and the fact that that grief would shape who he was and he would be asked questions about it. And this is very unusual indeed in public life to have two figures who've both lived through this sort of tragedy."
You have little to say, yet spew out so many words to say it.
Nick was not asked, nor did he answer, any questions about how Ivan's death would affect David Cameron's political standing.
Classy stuff
Are you sure about Toenails? Our listeners seem pretty sure what he said.
Using the death of a child to whip up false accusations against the BBC.
You forgot the 'tra la' Archie.
We know who you are and we know where you live.
Moderator please - dont publish this stuff
Soldiers know the risk when they join up - it is the duty of govt to order troops into action."
ONLY if the war is in a just cause.
If you have to lie to justify the war, then the war is NOT JUST!
Servicemen's lives have been sacrificed for a series of blatant and deliberate lies.
Lies which the Tories SHOULD have seen through, but they have the convenient cover of knowing that the Labour Cabinet was lied to by Blair as well. It was NOT poor or faulty intelligence, it was deliberately falsified intelligence by people in the whitehouse Iraq Group. The Office of Special Plans, Rockingham and elsewhere. These were offices set-up by the Administrations on the UK and the USA and others to specifically create a case FOR invasion. They were NOT established to discover the truth, but to examine the intelligence and using that, build a case for war using whatever information they could get away with and suppress all caveats and counter-arguments. These were political offices external to the national intelligence frameworks of the nations involved, but they had access at the very highest level to the intelligence staff, with the backing of the President, Vice President and defence secretary of the USA and the Prime Minister of the UK, these people made their wishes and goals known to the intelligence chiefs very forcefully. In the UK the head of the JIC was promoted for his complicity in massaging intelligence to fit the case for war.
The MI6 and CIA grunts on the ground and the other international experts in the field were routinely questioning the false claims that came out of these external political offices. EVERY major claim of WMD was debunked.
Our troops were sacrificed for a series of lies.
My deepest and sincerest condolences are with the Cameron Family
Your defence of toe nails Robinson is a bit lame.
By your own account Robinson was reporting on the sad death of the Cameron youngster yet spent most of his time talking about Brown whose loss took place several years ago.
It sounds to me like Robinson was keen to prevent Cameron from getting the sympathy vote.
Bang on Ken. And when they put poor old Colin Powell up before the UN with the sum-total of his 'damning evidence' - a picture of a 'chemical weapons' truck (or truck as it looked like to me) and a radio conversation between Corporal Rashid and Sargeant Mahmood where one told the other not to go on over the radio about 'chemicals'....
That's it? That's all you've got?
Huh? Where's the Kennedy picture of missiles that got shoved under the Russians noses eh?
For this we go to war?
Pure cynicism on the part of Bush/Blair. They'd seen what a 'successful' war did for Thatcher's popularity and they thought they'd organise one of their own to boost their own popularity.
So they did.
With Bush it was personal. With Blair it was pure opportunism.
- What a nasty bastard that Robinson is - more worried about the effect on his friends in No.10 - just couldn't keep his mouth SHUT.
Did Prick Robinson really say those things?
"Are you sure about Toenails? Our listeners seem pretty sure what he said."
Actually, only one person (Ken) described Robinson's comments in that way. Everything else has been built on the assumption that Ken's report was accurate. It wasn't, so IMO Robinson deserves an apology. But no doubt he won't get it, the blogosphere being what it is.
Very well put. Seems Saint Tony started the 'tradition' of mawkishness, competitive mourning and crassness on an industrial scale with the "People's Princess" nonsense.
And I guess that is the first and last complimentary posting about GB that there will ever be from me.
Robinson has been busy on TV and radio all morning implying that Cameron won't get political advantage, and trying to make sure he doesn't, by constantly referring to Brown's bereavement of a few years back.
Fair enough. We don't know for sure either way. I guess it could easily be clarified.....?
be strong...
G_d bless..
Nick Robinson wasn't even broadcasting of any of the BBC channels between the news breaking at 09.26am and this commenter's post at 09.43am.
I know, I've checked the tapes.
It's not really fair enough. Someone on Iain Dale refers to some comments Robinson made in response to a BBC anchorman in the studio about gaining the sympathy vote:
"Nick Robinson responded to a question from one of the BBC anchors, the fact that he even bothered to respond to such a disgraceful question was wrong.
So, I for one will not go easy on him, I do not know him personally, so I can only judge him on how he responded to the question.
It seems that the majority of the 'Westminster Village' insiders, are totally out of step with public opinion, biased political reporting is never good, and as we have just seen Mr Robinson has proved just how unethical he really is."
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6214838&postID=1459690506667911170
"Fuckin great PR though"
Think about that line. Rest of comment OK.
"Fuckin great PR though"
Not your best comment.
Always get independent verification.
And that goes for their toadies, cronies and lackies as well
The fuckwit Robinson turned the news of the Camerons' tragic loss into a story about Gordon Brown.
Fuck you, fuck Robinson and fuck all the lefty cunts at the bbc.
Some of the tattle going on is a complete disgrace.
I would not be at all surprised to find you worked for Al-JaBeeba given your illiterate post. You and the BBC go well together!
(by the way, before anyone accuses me of being a Brownite, i have hated New Labour since the moment I first heard of it!)
Our sympathy goes to the Camerons
Who do we send the pizza to?
I note that the 'reasonable' face of The Guardian's NuLab apologists used almost exactly the same wording in an article in Wednesday's Guardian online.
A suspicious mind might well consider that we are seeing Mandleson's spin machine distributing the "line" for their tame commentators to parrot.
Any other occurrences of this spin seen???
WV: uncut
But Ken was lying though (got to wonder about someone who's first thought on hearing of the death of Cameron's disabled son is 'this is a good day to start spreading some shit about Nick Robinson' well done to him though, the story's certainly done the rounds)
A couple of the other blogs he was offering his wisdom to have retracted posts they've made, good to see you lot are still at it.
http://inthebrown.blogspot.com/2009/02/what-is-wrong-with-nick-robinson.html
Not only did Michael White echo this line, but Robin Lustig also used it on "The World Tonight". Either the BBC has only one writer for all it's political news (and he has a spare-time job with the Guardian) or we have apparent evidence that NuLabour was cynically conducting a spin operation against Cameron.
How many of the "oozing sympathy" idiots above actually have any understanding or any genuine concern? Some, for sure, but not many. It is easy to write a note in order to make yourself feel better.
I was born disabled, by the way, and apparently have a limited span - which I am testing hard! I want no sympathy, and most certainly would hope that communal fantasists and emotional degenerates keep well away from my family when the INEVITABLE happens.
This is a private moment, as is all death. The Cameron family have asked for privacy and yet still the outpourings from meaningless, disconnected people continues. Do you really think that it adds anything to the sum of what is a very personal, very intense, very private event?
Robinson was right on this one. He has to treat it in an emotionally neutral way and report it in the context of his specialism. To do otherwise would be to exhibit far more bias than the accusations levelled at him here.
May God rest his soul.
leave DC and family their privacy and get back to the politics
ivan you were the queen of peoples hearts
im going to cash my benefit cheque in your honour little man