I just hope Brown try to take him to court so that this embarrassment will continue for as long as possible.
Serious Farce Office
· 9 months ago
It's obviously a fake; there are no snotty fingerprints and inkblots all over it.
man in the street
· 9 months ago
Brown is a cunt.
sam_m
· 9 months ago
The sums don't even add up. Or is that the point??
Dennis
· 9 months ago
I hope it's index-linked, or this time next year he'll only be able to afford to shop from Tesco's Value Range.
Anonymous
· 9 months ago
I see that McBust is at it again this morning, spinning the line that he is so angry over Goodwin's pension. I await with interest the details of the legal action he intends to take (as always, at our expense of course). It's clearly a dead duck, but if he wants to carry on digging a bloody great hole then that's fine - it will just make him look even more ridiculous than he already is.
"Right" said Fred, "I'm the bloody chairman RBS is fucked I'll have to go" He went softly, gave up on his money But he kept 'is pension And so we had a media frenzy
"Right" said Fred, "Now I've quit the comp'ny 13 grand a week will have to do Take it easy, no need to be thrifty Coz I've got my pension" And so we had a media frenzy
And Gordon had a think and he thought he ought to get the bank he'd rescued To check they'd not been too screwed But the Board all said they were happy to pay Fred
"All right," said Fred, "time to put my feet up With my pension I've got loadsa dough." Board had screwed up, media threw their arms up Should have blocked his pension, but no! So Fred said, "give me a massive monthly cheque." The Board said, "right-o."
And Gordon had a think, and he said, "Look, Fred, I'll give the job to Prescott And we'll sue you for the whole lot If you don't want flak you should pay your pension back."
"Right," said Fred, " Have to take you all down, So I'll write and tell you where to go." Prove the Gov'ment had approved the payment So I'll keep my pension" And so we had a media frenzy.
"Right," said Fred, pulling out a pencil With one letter gave a mighty blow. Board's in trouble, Myners prob'ly double, more of Labour's misdeeds come home, But Fred's scot-free 'cept for on the BBC And so we went home.
bergen
· 9 months ago
Following the comments on the previous thread,Bundred of the Audit Commission was on Today this morning and gave a calm and lucid account of the plight we're in.
Evan Davies had to revert to full "Pravda" mode to quote against him Brown's figures which exclude all those massive and inconvenient "off balance sheet" liabilities which presumaably Davies believes are mere fantasies.So ,never mind,the BBC thinks it will be all right.
Anonymous
· 9 months ago
On Labourlist.org they have a full transcript of Gordon's interview on radio Oxford where he denies everything and shows how the FSA saved the baking industry.
All the comments already posted are negative about Gordon and the Government. that is a terrible pity on the site where 'Labour Listens' so should we all register and make some positive and supportive comments.
Gordon needs our help and they want to listen...honest.
Council House Tory
· 9 months ago
Like the way you added Gordon's 'I write in crayon' signature.
Chris Paul
· 9 months ago
No hat tip? Interested to see that the extra is apparently such a small proportion of the amount. Like some kind of "Value Added Tax"? It's taxable in the UK presumably?
gordon is a moron
· 9 months ago
By Thursday the Bank of England Governor, FSA Chairman, and Head of NAO all publically said its Gordon's fault.
Peston is "informed" that it is a scandal that Fred Goodwin has a huge pensi(o)n; cue for rage, jealousy and leaks.
RBS bailed out ".again",
Brown rapped over the knuckles.
Funnily enough in 2005 a couple of A level exam boards had set questions of the problems of an economy over reliant on consumer spending and borrowing to generate growth. Even the brightest 18 year olds could deduce that Gorodn had fucked up the economy.
He creates a supposedly 'independent' research group to give him the opinions he wants - the government in effect lobbies itself. The Beeb selects for its programs, the 'independent experts' whose opinions represent the Beebs worldview. The BBCs words from other people's mouths.
phony war
· 9 months ago
US GDP shrinkage revised downwards to an annualised 6.2% in last quarter 2008. German consumer prices rose 0.6% between January and February. Inflation is back. The western economies are headed for collapse and hyperinflation. Studying individual thieves like Goodwin and Brown is okay but the real matter is when will the lid blow on western democracy? My guess, this summer, place, America.
Shirking From Home
· 9 months ago
Will the bastard snotty give up his pension too. He fucked it up after all.
Why don't the crappy dead tree press go for this arsehole's scalp instead?
Anonymous
· 9 months ago
bergen:
"Evan Davies had to revert to full "Pravda" mode to quote against him Brown's figures which exclude all those massive and inconvenient "off balance sheet" liabilities which presumaably Davies believes are mere fantasies."
As far as the Beeb cares this is 'magic' debt - it never has to be paid back.
Anonymous
· 9 months ago
Love the NI number
= Easy money
Hail Gordon! Like in Australia, with hailstones the size of pigeon's eggs.
DZ
peeved
· 9 months ago
excellent presentation. Wonder what Jacqui's might look like. One a day for a wee while would be a fine illustration of the level of corruption to which our 'best brains' and politicians have sunk.
Ctesibius
· 9 months ago
At the end of his career with Gartmore, 'Lord' Myners did a thoroughly shit job - wrecking shareholder value. Will he give his enormous pension back as a consequence? Hypocrit.
Incidentally, has anyone asked Myners what the most 'obscene' bonus he ever received was, as a percentage of his base salary? Peston, for example?
I don't know why I bother - everybody knows the truth. Let's have a General Election now.
Anonymous
· 9 months ago
Bet Myners regrets listening to Brown and leaking to wanker Pesto about the Goodwin pension My money, whats left of it, is on Brown trying to create a smoke screen, to divert attention from his shambolic handling of everything, even to the extent of allowing Freddy boy Goodwin tht little extra in the pension.The whole thing smells
Section D Notice
· 9 months ago
Good God, it's enough to make one think carousel fraud is justifiable!
I mean, 'get what you can then feck off to Venezuela' sounds like a plan.
Anonymous
· 9 months ago
Dennis: Sorry to be pedantic but I think you meant to say that you hoped it was not index linked. If it is, then his pension will represent a significant fraction of UK GDP in ten years or so.
Shirking From Home: “Why don't the crappy dead tree press go for this arsehole's (G. Brown)scalp instead?” Last week I was re-reading a series of interviews with Noam Chomsky published in 2005. They relate to the manipulation of public opinion in the run up to the Irak war. They seemed to me a little fanciful at the time but in retrospect Chomsky's clarity is remarkable. If Guido will allow me to quote... Following a vivid description of how Washington managed to convince most Americans that Saddam was a threat to their very existence he goes on to say; “... and the way to achieve that – since people aren't going to accept it otherwise – is to make people afraid. If people are afraid they will gravitate to strong leaders. They will trust the Republicans to protect them from their enemies and therefore suppress their own concerns and interests.” Now people in the UK are afraid. Afraid of unemployment and poverty in old age. And with some justification. New Labour know they are to blame but they have to shift the focus of the peoples' anger to a different target. Just like GWB they have to find a bogeyman and Fred Goodwin will do just fine. Like Saddam he actually is a complete shit so that's a good start. But he is no more to blame for the depressing state of my pension than Saddam was for 9/11.
remember28% of voters still su
· 9 months ago
"Anonymous said...
My money, whats left of it, is on Brown trying to create a smoke screen, to divert attention from his shambolic handling of everything, even to the extent of allowing Freddy boy Goodwin tht little extra in the pension.The whole thing smells
February 28, 2009 9:43 AM"
That's why Jack 'grey fox' Straw is moving upwind,
As for McDoom; he's off to the US to meet 'The One' (fCs: tell Obama NOT TO SHAKE HANDS!!). AlBeeb will be all over that, bigging up snotty as the 'Saviour of the Universe'.
[O/T - returning to an old thr
· 9 months ago
SEEN - on an RSA envelope -
Removing the barriers to social progress
NOT MENTIONED - perhaps because embarrassing or too difficult to understand, or 'Challenging'?
The Society for the encouragement of the Arts, Manufactures and Commerce *
Yes, yes, yes, - I know, an answer could probably be found in all the impenetrable progressive blah-blah about this that and the other - but, apparently fearful of clearly stating their principles, no wonder they have lost their way.
Oh dear . . . !
* I assume that by 'Arts, Manufactures and Commerce' the original intent actually drew on the true meaning of those words, rather than a wishy-washy 'anything goes' interpretation
Cafe del Mar
· 9 months ago
It's blatantly obvious that Gordon Brown is attempting to set up Fred Goodwin as a scapegoat to divert attention from his own pivotal role in "light-touch regulation" and encouragement of dodgy lending practices that led to this banking disaster in the first place.
Everyone can see what Brown is up to but that doesn't stop the deranged lunatic from going ahead with it.
Anonymous
· 9 months ago
Serious Farce Office said... It's obviously a fake; there are no snotty fingerprints and inkblots all over it. Plus the fact that due to NuLiebors education policy it would be full of spelling mistakes
Anonymous
· 9 months ago
I see Gorbals Mick has still got his pig like nose in the trough...
Anybody checked the figures? Who leaked the precise numbers? If the 693,000 is flat & not index linked the return is 4.3% p.a.on a pot of £16m. Is it coming from his own pension pot (SIPP) or is it part of RBS pension fund liabilities?
Beowulff
· 9 months ago
Now there is another banker ‘Peter Cummings’ (Who the f’s he ? ) to be put in the stocks. Obviously the relentlessly devious Brown thinks if he can deflect the ire of the average voter on to the greedy bankers, he will escape ‘Scott free’. Trouble is the punters aren’t that bright so he could be right.
But McGoon's Bank Cronies are to be sacrificed one by one as diversions from the main event, namely the complete and utter ruin of England.
Michael Fallon put his finger on it. The Labour Jockland banks under Myners and Co. invented money to the tune of £625 billion plus which was then hosed into the Labour client state, splurging up the house prices into the bargain. The £600 + Billion has gone but is not lost. It now exists as a massive debt of similar proportions that future generations will be paying off for decades to come as they live in poverty.
The only bright spot in all of this is that some of the punters (no not the 30% of Labour Zombies including the BBC) have realised that the party could be over and may decide to call an end to Labour's Living Experiment on the English. Trouble is who on earth would want to inherit the stinking wasteland that McBroon has created.
However not to worry there are still some believers out there as Amanda Platell writes in the Mail ‘No one should doubt Brown’s integrity’. Dear God ? How long Oh Lord, How Long ?
Labour = Poverty for Decades to Come
Anonymous
· 9 months ago
So Fred needs to give up his pension on the basis that people who screwed up the economy need to give their pensions back.
Surely the entire Labour Cabinet and Labour Party need to give their pensions back as well?
Come on Dave let's here you ask Gordon in PMQ to give his pension back on the basis he's responsible for this mess as well.
How about the heads of BoE and the FSA?
What about all the other VPs, MDs and directors of all the other financial institutions?
Why stop there?
In fact any employee of any company that has had any impact on any part of the downturn should give up a proportion of their pensions?
Oh wait, scrub that!
Gordon has skimmed off a proportion of all our pensions already.
Anonymous
· 9 months ago
its so obviously a fake. If the 'Amount recovered by Gordon Brown' was genuine it would be a minus amount running into 6 figures.
White coat man
· 9 months ago
Jade in hospice over hallucinations!
Where Gordon?
Gordon (huff and puff) Brown,
· 9 months ago
"When it comes to this lavish 85th party it is completely unacceptable and that's why I've said we're considering every means at our disposal to take legal action if it happens that after the pleas of the public Mr Mugabe is not prepared to reduce his birthday quotient. I think you'll find, although we don't have all the evidence yet, ..."
Beam Me Up Snotty
· 9 months ago
Anony 10:41 "...How about the heads of BoE and the FSA?..."
Yes please, just after the twats in parliament have been summarily despatched piano-wire style.
Anonymous
· 9 months ago
o/t but did Jade plan her hospice trip for the weekend dead tree press?
Anonymous
· 9 months ago
I don't know what all the fuss is about,16 million wouldn't buy a loaf of fucking bread in Browns vision of Britain.
BrianSJ
· 9 months ago
If Goodwin really wants to shaft them (and I imagine he does by now), then he should use some of his cash to set up a hardship fund for RBS employees who had all their savings in RBS shares - there will be a good deal of such hardship. It would be so obviously a more responsible way of behaving than the f*ckwits of Downing St, he would win the press battle.
Norf London Ratepayer
· 9 months ago
@Anonymous bergen said...
'Following the comments on the previous thread,Bundred of the Audit Commission was on Today this morning and gave a calm and lucid account of the plight we're in.'
Bundred is a Labour Party placeman and shill (ex GLC councillor with connections to New Labour stalwarts at cabinet level) and has a long dubious record of covering up corrupt practices by Labour party officials in London local government. There is even official EU auditors report out there that recommends Bundred and his sleazy mates be reported to the criminal authorities UK authorities for prosecution, following a significant fraud on EU monies, yet Bundred's been protected from his come-uppence by Labour Party high ups.
True to form Bundred has already backtracked on his Times article and BBC interview of this morning. Bundred is now being reported on the BBC that he didn't mean that financial Armegeddon was likely due to McBusts record levels of of public debt, just that swingeing expenditure cuts would be needed in local government to address the issue. What the Labour government is doing is using the supposedly 'independent' Bundred to fly a kite in advance of a major policy U turn on public expenditure cuts. McBroon and his mates cannot do so themselves without kicking off a shitstorm of a fight with the public sector unions who bankroll the Labour Party. The cuts are inevitable because McBroon's spending and debt binge has outstripped to capacity of the country's tax base to meet it. Put simply, Osborne was right about the need for such cuts but the government cannot admit so.
New Labour. Bunch of thieving crooks. Always were. Always will be.
£2,000,000,000,000 and still c
· 9 months ago
Take it from me, the chances of any basis for a legal challenge is almost zero and in the event that the government did attampt to recover a portion of Sir Fred's pension pot via the courts - the European Court of Human Rights will throw the whole thing out on appeal.
A slight irony there as it was New Labour who brought in the Human Rights Act in the first place.
But of course it keeps the Labour supporting media busy deflecting the spotlight from the real culpri in all this - one John Gordon Brown - we ought to start a petition to claw back his pension after all his "crime" is worse than Goodwin's - he was in charge of the whole uk economy for over a decade and a right mess he's made of it too !!!!!!
pp
· 9 months ago
This quote looks good:-
We are exploring all the legal action necessary to recover pension payments from people who received too much
Doesn't seem to be limited to bankers... so MPs beware...
If they were serious about getting the pension money back, they could accuse the bankers of financial terrorism, and ship them to Guantanimo; or just have some tough guys infringe their human rights until they signed confessions and renounced their pensions and any other assets they've salted away.
Theoretically they could pass a bill of attainder declaring the bankers to be traitors who must be executed and their assets seized.
Nothing of the sort is likely to happen. They know most of the public would want to apply the same measures to the government. The opposition knows that in a few years they could be in a similar position.
It will all blow over. The lawyers will report that they can't do anything. The precedent having been set, Brown and his cronies will be allowed to retire quietly with relatively vast pensions - and perhaps more gifts to be expected from those whose interests have been served - despite having wrecked the whole country.
Anonymous
· 9 months ago
The entire ruling class of THE WORLD should be arrested for conspiracy to defraud the tax payer.
This created apparent and also very real economic meltdown is a criminal CONSPIRACY of the highest order, of that there is no doubt whatsoever. All very well explained in an establishment publication, namely Atlas Shrugged by a Communist/fascist Russian establishment shagging tart, called Ayn Rand.
We have been viciously betrayed by our own ruling class, however things are about to get much much worse.
Gordon Brown knows EXACTLY what he is doing, which is exactly what he is being told to do by his puppet masters.
To quote the evilly dishonest Marxist high masonic crook, in his own words of just 5 long years ago to the CBI.
"This ( New World Order ) will constitute the biggest change in society since the industrial revolution."
He was not kidding, because it has always been GB's long since appointed job to very much help it to happen.
The worlds banking system has been owned and therefore run by the most truly evil creatures breathing on this planet, for around 300 years. The World Banking System owns this country, all of its politicians, and now all of its people, its people's savings, and future taxable incomes.
The establishment are utterly determined to partially or apparently destroy all that they do control, so that they can ultimately control EVERYTHING and EVERYBODY.
Our present establishment BBC/MSM selected government are not nationalizing the International Banking System. The International Banking system long since privatized this entire nation. It is now internationalizing all of us, into a Communist/Fascist NEW WORLD ORDER. Which will IMO be a completely undemocratic, forever more murderous nightmare for ordinary people. Others may disagree. However IMO unless our ruling elites suddenly brake a habit of many life times and start telling the REAL TRUTH for once, our futures are as good as set in grave yard granite stone.
Understand this now, or stay in blissful ignorance, until you personally receive your allotted ticket to a 're-education' or micro-chipping concentration camp near you.
As a Zionist myself I have little in principle against a world of free trade and open borders, backed up by common law and a written libertarian type constitution.
However the elitist Zionist and Papal powers that utterly control almost this entire planet, have clearly far more evilly authoritarian ambitions to say the very least. This is made obvious by the fact that the elites have no intention of ever telling the truth to the ordinary people as to their current and ultimate plans for the future of mankind. A future that very seriously does not include most of us living long enough to witness.
Atlas Shrugged
Labour wipeout
· 9 months ago
Im sure all you have seen the grainy footage taken in the Final days of the Reich showing the obviously deluded Fuhrer inspecting the young children and old men who are his last line of defense against the impending russian onslaught on Berlin.
It seems to me that in the last final days of this regime we will seean obviously deluded PM surrounding himself with niaive young acolytes who are arrogantly ambitious enough to think this is their moment of stardom but are are simply being used by a leader who is "in Government but not in power" as he can easily manipulate and control thme. The end game, as always is micromanagement of useful idiots. Watch this space.
ps if you are wondering where Hitlers experienced Generals and colleagues were during this time well they were busily trying to "engage" with the allies to sue for a peace of their own.
T'was always thus.
Anonymous
· 9 months ago
Last night on Newsnight I heard loonie left Frank Dobson moanong about the whole affair, stating that for someone who oversaw such disasterous banking results through sheer incompetence to receive any pension was entirely wrong. He could have been talking about his own loonie Nulab cabinet just as easily. The losses far greater and the pensions less, but guaranteed, nevertheless.
Cardinal del Monte
· 9 months ago
You forgot Goodwin's knighthood (2004) "for services to banking", no doubt recommended by the then Chancellor of the Exchequer, Gordon Brown....
Anonymous
· 9 months ago
In lieu of undoubtedly futile legal action, the government should simply pass a law taxing the excessive pensions of former executives of tax-payer funded (and owned)banks so that that the pensions are reduced to an acceptable amount, say £20,000 per year.
Its the BROWN economy stupid !
· 9 months ago
There are still many fuckwits out there and in the media who seem to think this current crisis has nothing to do with Browns fiscal management of the economy over the past 11 years. Its like he did very well for most of that time but now faces a new Global challenge.
Watch my lips.
HE DIDNT DO VERY WELL AT ALL OVER THE PAST 11 YEARS HIS POLICIES WERE ALWAYS SMOKE AND MORRORS AND WHAT WE ARE SEEING NOW IS THE INEVITABLE RESULT OF SUCH POLICIES. NOW IS THAT PERFECTLY FUCKING CLEAR !
GOOD.
CALL AN ELECTION !
Anonymous
· 9 months ago
Jade in hospice over hallucinations!
Sadly he wished her well last week
Starfucks Mandybotts
· 9 months ago
Mandelson in new 'favours' row: BREAKING NEWS FROM D.MAIL
Heathrow PR pal had six meetings with ministers before new runway go-ahead
Details have emerged of the extraordinary access the Business Secretary's close acquaintance Roland Rudd - who represents airport operator BAA - had to the top tiers of Government.
Budgie
· 9 months ago
Odin's Raven said..."Theoretically they could pass a bill of attainder declaring the bankers to be traitors who must be executed ..."
I think that ZaNu Lab removed the "anomaly" of execution for treason around 2005. Perhaps they were thinking ahead?
Air Nokia One
· 9 months ago
Did anyone see this shite from Jack Straw in the Guardian
"Our record isn't perfect. But talk of a police state is daftThere was no golden age of liberty. Since 1997, we have done more to extend freedoms than any government before"
Are they all just totally fucking deluded or does he actually believe what he just said? They all seem to be in denial for the last 12 years and either way I just find the whole situation very scary.
They have to go and soon.
Mandleson's head being called for over the Heathrow debacle. Twice from the commons and once from the Lords would be to good for the cunt. Lamposts all round.
Air Nokia One
· 9 months ago
The new Tescos advert states that 'they compare prices on the things that people actually buy'. Shame they can't do the countries inflation calculations as well then as every little helps.
Martin
· 9 months ago
McSnot has lost the plot. I just hope that as soon as the Tories get elected they kill the BBC. No one will give a shit and they can spin that they are saving us all £140 a year.
Jade Goody
· 9 months ago
Hello?
I'm still here, innit?
Mule Train
· 9 months ago
Anonymous said... Last night on Newsnight I heard loonie left Frank Dobson moanong about the whole affair, stating that for someone who oversaw such disasterous banking results through sheer incompetence to receive any pension was entirely wrong. He could have been talking about his own loonie Nulab cabinet just as easily. The losses far greater and the pensions less, but guaranteed, nevertheless.
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I saw him also, what an inciherent f*cking bearded clam Dobson is, Dobby by name dobbin by nature!!
urinalpeep
· 9 months ago
Shafted the customers ,shafted the shareholders, shafted the staff, shafted Brown and Darling; is the guy a Geordie and is his real first name Bobby?
Anonymous
· 9 months ago
Atlas Shrugged
You really do need to keep up with the tablets. I strongly suspect that the pregabalin needs to be 150mg, up from 50mg that you have now.
Aethelred
· 9 months ago
"I strongly suspect that the pregabalin needs to be 150mg, up from 50mg that you have now."
Now, now Mr Draper, you shouldn't be prescribing without a proper qualification.
Anonymous
· 9 months ago
Wrong guy, wrong target, wrong reason. Politics of envy.
Problem-child: FSA.
Wake up.
Regards,
Tom
PS. Atlas Shrugged: Didn't D'Anconia de-fraud investors in the San Sebastien mines? You hypocrite.
Anonymous
· 9 months ago
If Harriet Harman suggests that an individual will be targetted by the Government because "the Prime Minister has said so" - regardless of whether the individual's rights are protected by the law, then all we need to do is dress her in a black uniform with a swastika, or a KGB uniform, to see what attitude this mirrors. I didn't know that Gordon Brown's title had recently become "Der Fuehrer".
Besides this, if it is appropriate to implement assassination by media towards Fred Goodwin for RBS (when all parties globally have acknowledged that no-one saw this coming), and demand that he give up his pension - then it is just as appropriate that Gordon Brown give up his current pension (and position) for his absolutely unjustifiable decision to lose the UK Billions of Pounds by selling off the UK's Gold Reserves at one of the lowest prices in history (and unlike the Global Economic Crisis, plenty of people saw that coming at the time - and said so).
The same can be aid for Alistair Darling's ham-handed and catastrophic handling of the Northern Rock debacle, as his and his Prime Minister's dallying and fumbling (and questionable / unethical behaviour towards Virgin Money) also merit the seizure of their pensions - as they turned a salvageable situation into a disaster (in which their media leaks also played a significant role).
Frankly, one of the most significant causes of the Global Economic Crisis can be found in the legislation passed by Bill Clinton - which Robert Reich also had a strong hand in implementing - when they legislated (for votes, no doubt) to force banks to provide mortgages to those who could not afford them - punishing and fining banks which did not thereafter comply.
If one does this, does one not expect banks to try to find a way to try to make money out of an otherwise bottomless hole. Similarly, as banking is globalised, if the US Banks start this, for others not to follow suit will be commercially untenable.
Of course, the current Labour government and its inept former Chancellor - now unelected Prime Minister - also ran wild with their completely reckless drive for everyone to own their own home. Some people just can't - and the current financial crisis is more to do with the failure of their (and Bill Clinton's) uninformed interference in the private sector to effect social engineering, than it is to do with banks and bankers.
Once politicians start to artificially meddle with financial markets and structures, what the end result will be is unknown, and (as they are now) they can be catastrophic.
Anonymous
· 9 months ago
6:42 "
"If Harriet Harman suggests that an individual will be targetted by the Government because "the Prime Minister has said so" - regardless of whether the individual's rights are protected by the law, then all we need to do is dress her in a black uniform with a swastika, or a KGB uniform, to see what attitude this mirrors. I didn't know that Gordon Brown's title had recently become "Der Fuehrer"."
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Oh where have you been, we started a fire at the Riechstag tonight and tomorrow we march into Sudenteland to the beat of Harriets Drum !!!
National Socialism is the new Black ( shits) you know !!!
ps I did say a few weeks ago that she would make a cunt of herself did I not. Well there you have it !
DWMF
· 9 months ago
Anonymous @ March 1, 2009 5:14 PM: "Didn't D'Anconia de-fraud investors in the San Sebastien mines?"
No. He was the only "investor". He pulled a fast one on the Argentinian government who thought they could seize a profitable copper mine. Like a financial scorched earth policy.
All Comments
"Right" said Fred, "I'm the bloody chairman
RBS is fucked I'll have to go"
He went softly, gave up on his money
But he kept 'is pension
And so we had a media frenzy
"Right" said Fred, "Now I've quit the comp'ny
13 grand a week will have to do
Take it easy, no need to be thrifty
Coz I've got my pension"
And so we had a media frenzy
And Gordon had a think and he thought he ought to get the bank he'd rescued
To check they'd not been too screwed
But the Board all said they were happy to pay Fred
"All right," said Fred, "time to put my feet up
With my pension I've got loadsa dough."
Board had screwed up, media threw their arms up
Should have blocked his pension, but no!
So Fred said, "give me a massive monthly cheque."
The Board said, "right-o."
And Gordon had a think, and he said, "Look, Fred,
I'll give the job to Prescott
And we'll sue you for the whole lot
If you don't want flak you should pay your pension back."
"Right," said Fred, " Have to take you all down,
So I'll write and tell you where to go."
Prove the Gov'ment had approved the payment
So I'll keep my pension"
And so we had a media frenzy.
"Right," said Fred, pulling out a pencil
With one letter gave a mighty blow.
Board's in trouble, Myners prob'ly double, more of Labour's misdeeds come home,
But Fred's scot-free 'cept for on the BBC
And so we went home.
Evan Davies had to revert to full "Pravda" mode to quote against him Brown's figures which exclude all those massive and inconvenient "off balance sheet" liabilities which presumaably Davies believes are mere fantasies.So ,never mind,the BBC thinks it will be all right.
All the comments already posted are negative about Gordon and the Government. that is a terrible pity on the site where 'Labour Listens' so should we all register and make some positive and supportive comments.
Gordon needs our help and they want to listen...honest.
Peston is "informed" that it is a scandal that Fred Goodwin has a huge pensi(o)n; cue for rage, jealousy and leaks.
RBS bailed out ".again",
Brown rapped over the knuckles.
Funnily enough in 2005 a couple of A level exam boards had set questions of the problems of an economy over reliant on consumer spending and borrowing to generate growth. Even the brightest 18 year olds could deduce that Gorodn had fucked up the economy.
http://timesonline.typepad.com/politics/2009/02/deborah-mattins.html
McPoS learned this from the Beeb.
He creates a supposedly 'independent' research group to give him the opinions he wants - the government in effect lobbies itself.
The Beeb selects for its programs, the 'independent experts' whose opinions represent the Beebs worldview.
The BBCs words from other people's mouths.
"No rewards for failure".
Independent - 9 February 2009
Why don't the crappy dead tree press go for this arsehole's scalp instead?
"Evan Davies had to revert to full "Pravda" mode to quote against him Brown's figures which exclude all those massive and inconvenient "off balance sheet" liabilities which presumaably Davies believes are mere fantasies."
As far as the Beeb cares this is 'magic' debt - it never has to be paid back.
= Easy money
Hail Gordon! Like in Australia, with hailstones the size of pigeon's eggs.
DZ
Incidentally, has anyone asked Myners what the most 'obscene' bonus he ever received was, as a percentage of his base salary? Peston, for example?
I don't know why I bother - everybody knows the truth. Let's have a General Election now.
My money, whats left of it, is on Brown trying to create a smoke screen, to divert attention from his shambolic handling of everything, even to the extent of allowing Freddy boy Goodwin tht little extra in the pension.The whole thing smells
I mean, 'get what you can then feck off to Venezuela' sounds like a plan.
Sorry to be pedantic but I think you meant to say that you hoped it was not index linked. If it is, then his pension will represent a significant fraction of UK GDP in ten years or so.
Shirking From Home:
“Why don't the crappy dead tree press go for this arsehole's (G. Brown)scalp instead?”
Last week I was re-reading a series of interviews with Noam Chomsky published in 2005. They relate to the manipulation of public opinion in the run up to the Irak war. They seemed to me a little fanciful at the time but in retrospect Chomsky's clarity is remarkable. If Guido will allow me to quote...
Following a vivid description of how Washington managed to convince most Americans that Saddam was a threat to their very existence he goes on to say;
“... and the way to achieve that – since people aren't going to accept it otherwise – is to make people afraid. If people are afraid they will gravitate to strong leaders. They will trust the Republicans to protect them from their enemies and therefore suppress their own concerns and interests.”
Now people in the UK are afraid. Afraid of unemployment and poverty in old age. And with some justification. New Labour know they are to blame but they have to shift the focus of the peoples' anger to a different target. Just like GWB they have to find a bogeyman and Fred Goodwin will do just fine. Like Saddam he actually is a complete shit so that's a good start. But he is no more to blame for the depressing state of my pension than Saddam was for 9/11.
My money, whats left of it, is on Brown trying to create a smoke screen, to divert attention from his shambolic handling of everything, even to the extent of allowing Freddy boy Goodwin tht little extra in the pension.The whole thing smells
February 28, 2009 9:43 AM"
That's why Jack 'grey fox' Straw is moving upwind,
As for McDoom; he's off to the US to meet 'The One' (fCs: tell Obama NOT TO SHAKE HANDS!!).
AlBeeb will be all over that, bigging up snotty as the 'Saviour of the Universe'.
SEEN - on an RSA envelope -
Removing the barriers to social progress
NOT MENTIONED - perhaps because embarrassing or too difficult to understand, or 'Challenging'?
The Society for the encouragement of the Arts, Manufactures and Commerce *
Yes, yes, yes, - I know, an answer could probably be found in all the impenetrable progressive blah-blah about this that and the other - but, apparently fearful of clearly stating their principles, no wonder they have lost their way.
Oh dear . . . !
* I assume that by 'Arts, Manufactures and Commerce' the original intent actually drew on the true meaning of those words, rather than a wishy-washy 'anything goes' interpretation
Everyone can see what Brown is up to but that doesn't stop the deranged lunatic from going ahead with it.
It's obviously a fake; there are no snotty fingerprints and inkblots all over it.
Plus the fact that due to NuLiebors education policy it would be full of spelling mistakes
http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=106393
But McGoon's Bank Cronies are to be sacrificed one by one as diversions from the main event, namely the complete and utter ruin of England.
Michael Fallon put his finger on it. The Labour Jockland banks under Myners and Co. invented money to the tune of £625 billion plus which was then hosed into the Labour client state, splurging up the house prices into the bargain.
The £600 + Billion has gone but is not lost. It now exists as a massive debt of similar proportions that future generations will be paying off for decades to come as they live in poverty.
The only bright spot in all of this is that some of the punters (no not the 30% of Labour Zombies including the BBC) have realised that the party could be over and may decide to call an end to Labour's Living Experiment on the English.
Trouble is who on earth would want to inherit the stinking wasteland that McBroon has created.
However not to worry there are still some believers out there as Amanda Platell writes in the Mail ‘No one should doubt Brown’s integrity’. Dear God ?
How long Oh Lord, How Long ?
Labour = Poverty for Decades to Come
Surely the entire Labour Cabinet and Labour Party need to give their pensions back as well?
Come on Dave let's here you ask Gordon in PMQ to give his pension back on the basis he's responsible for this mess as well.
How about the heads of BoE and the FSA?
What about all the other VPs, MDs and directors of all the other financial institutions?
Why stop there?
In fact any employee of any company that has had any impact on any part of the downturn should give up a proportion of their pensions?
Oh wait, scrub that!
Gordon has skimmed off a proportion of all our pensions already.
Where Gordon?
Yes please, just after the twats in parliament have been summarily despatched piano-wire style.
'Following the comments on the previous thread,Bundred of the Audit Commission was on Today this morning and gave a calm and lucid account of the plight we're in.'
Bundred is a Labour Party placeman and shill (ex GLC councillor with connections to New Labour stalwarts at cabinet level) and has a long dubious record of covering up corrupt practices by Labour party officials in London local government. There is even official EU auditors report out there that recommends Bundred and his sleazy mates be reported to the criminal authorities UK authorities for prosecution, following a significant fraud on EU monies, yet Bundred's been protected from his come-uppence by Labour Party high ups.
True to form Bundred has already backtracked on his Times article and BBC interview of this morning. Bundred is now being reported on the BBC that he didn't mean that financial Armegeddon was likely due to McBusts record levels of of public debt, just that swingeing expenditure cuts would be needed in local government to address the issue. What the Labour government is doing is using the supposedly 'independent' Bundred to fly a kite in advance of a major policy U turn on public expenditure cuts. McBroon and his mates cannot do so themselves without kicking off a shitstorm of a fight with the public sector unions who bankroll the Labour Party. The cuts are inevitable because McBroon's spending and debt binge has outstripped to capacity of the country's tax base to meet it. Put simply, Osborne was right about the need for such cuts but the government cannot admit so.
New Labour. Bunch of thieving crooks. Always were. Always will be.
A slight irony there as it was New Labour who brought in the Human Rights Act in the first place.
But of course it keeps the Labour supporting media busy deflecting the spotlight from the real culpri in all this - one John Gordon Brown - we ought to start a petition to claw back his pension after all his "crime" is worse than Goodwin's - he was in charge of the whole uk economy for over a decade and a right mess he's made of it too !!!!!!
We are exploring all the legal action necessary to recover pension payments from people who received too much
Doesn't seem to be limited to bankers... so MPs beware...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7916215.stm
Theoretically they could pass a bill of attainder declaring the bankers to be traitors who must be executed and their assets seized.
Nothing of the sort is likely to happen. They know most of the public would want to apply the same measures to the government. The opposition knows that in a few years they could be in a similar position.
It will all blow over. The lawyers will report that they can't do anything. The precedent having been set, Brown and his cronies will be allowed to retire quietly with relatively vast pensions - and perhaps more gifts to be expected from those whose interests have been served - despite having wrecked the whole country.
This created apparent and also very real economic meltdown is a criminal CONSPIRACY of the highest order, of that there is no doubt whatsoever. All very well explained in an establishment publication, namely Atlas Shrugged by a Communist/fascist Russian establishment shagging tart, called Ayn Rand.
We have been viciously betrayed by our own ruling class, however things are about to get much much worse.
Gordon Brown knows EXACTLY what he is doing, which is exactly what he is being told to do by his puppet masters.
To quote the evilly dishonest Marxist high masonic crook, in his own words of just 5 long years ago to the CBI.
"This ( New World Order ) will constitute the biggest change in society since the industrial revolution."
He was not kidding, because it has always been GB's long since appointed job to very much help it to happen.
The worlds banking system has been owned and therefore run by the most truly evil creatures breathing on this planet, for around 300 years. The World Banking System owns this country, all of its politicians, and now all of its people, its people's savings, and future taxable incomes.
The establishment are utterly determined to partially or apparently destroy all that they do control, so that they can ultimately control EVERYTHING and EVERYBODY.
Our present establishment BBC/MSM selected government are not nationalizing the International Banking System. The International Banking system long since privatized this entire nation. It is now internationalizing all of us, into a Communist/Fascist NEW WORLD ORDER. Which will IMO be a completely undemocratic, forever more murderous nightmare for ordinary people. Others may disagree. However IMO unless our ruling elites suddenly brake a habit of many life times and start telling the REAL TRUTH for once, our futures are as good as set in grave yard granite stone.
Understand this now, or stay in blissful ignorance, until you personally receive your allotted ticket to a 're-education' or micro-chipping concentration camp near you.
As a Zionist myself I have little in principle against a world of free trade and open borders, backed up by common law and a written libertarian type constitution.
However the elitist Zionist and Papal powers that utterly control almost this entire planet, have clearly far more evilly authoritarian ambitions to say the very least. This is made obvious by the fact that the elites have no intention of ever telling the truth to the ordinary people as to their current and ultimate plans for the future of mankind. A future that very seriously does not include most of us living long enough to witness.
Atlas Shrugged
It seems to me that in the last final days of this regime we will seean obviously deluded PM surrounding himself with niaive young acolytes who are arrogantly ambitious enough to think this is their moment of stardom but are are simply being used by a leader who is "in Government but not in power" as he can easily manipulate and control thme.
The end game, as always is micromanagement of useful idiots.
Watch this space.
ps if you are wondering where Hitlers experienced Generals and colleagues were during this time well they were busily trying to "engage" with the allies to sue for a peace of their own.
T'was always thus.
Watch my lips.
HE DIDNT DO VERY WELL AT ALL OVER THE PAST 11 YEARS HIS POLICIES WERE ALWAYS SMOKE AND MORRORS AND WHAT WE ARE SEEING NOW IS THE INEVITABLE RESULT OF SUCH POLICIES. NOW IS THAT PERFECTLY FUCKING CLEAR !
GOOD.
CALL AN ELECTION !
Sadly he wished her well last week
BREAKING NEWS FROM D.MAIL
Heathrow PR pal had six meetings with ministers before new runway go-ahead
Details have emerged of the extraordinary access the Business Secretary's close acquaintance Roland Rudd - who represents airport operator BAA - had to the top tiers of Government.
I think that ZaNu Lab removed the "anomaly" of execution for treason around 2005. Perhaps they were thinking ahead?
"Our record isn't perfect. But talk of a police state is daftThere was no golden age of liberty. Since 1997, we have done more to extend freedoms than any government before"
Are they all just totally fucking deluded or does he actually believe what he just said? They all seem to be in denial for the last 12 years and either way I just find the whole situation very scary.
They have to go and soon.
Mandleson's head being called for over the Heathrow debacle. Twice from the commons and once from the Lords would be to good for the cunt. Lamposts all round.
I'm still here, innit?
Last night on Newsnight I heard loonie left Frank Dobson moanong about the whole affair, stating that for someone who oversaw such disasterous banking results through sheer incompetence to receive any pension was entirely wrong. He could have been talking about his own loonie Nulab cabinet just as easily. The losses far greater and the pensions less, but guaranteed, nevertheless.
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I saw him also, what an inciherent f*cking bearded clam Dobson is, Dobby by name dobbin by nature!!
You really do need to keep up with the tablets. I strongly suspect that the pregabalin needs to be 150mg, up from 50mg that you have now.
Now, now Mr Draper, you shouldn't be prescribing without a proper qualification.
Problem-child: FSA.
Wake up.
Regards,
Tom
PS. Atlas Shrugged: Didn't D'Anconia de-fraud investors in the San Sebastien mines? You hypocrite.
Besides this, if it is appropriate to implement assassination by media towards Fred Goodwin for RBS (when all parties globally have acknowledged that no-one saw this coming), and demand that he give up his pension - then it is just as appropriate that Gordon Brown give up his current pension (and position) for his absolutely unjustifiable decision to lose the UK Billions of Pounds by selling off the UK's Gold Reserves at one of the lowest prices in history (and unlike the Global Economic Crisis, plenty of people saw that coming at the time - and said so).
The same can be aid for Alistair Darling's ham-handed and catastrophic handling of the Northern Rock debacle, as his and his Prime Minister's dallying and fumbling (and questionable / unethical behaviour towards Virgin Money) also merit the seizure of their pensions - as they turned a salvageable situation into a disaster (in which their media leaks also played a significant role).
Frankly, one of the most significant causes of the Global Economic Crisis can be found in the legislation passed by Bill Clinton - which Robert Reich also had a strong hand in implementing - when they legislated (for votes, no doubt) to force banks to provide mortgages to those who could not afford them - punishing and fining banks which did not thereafter comply.
If one does this, does one not expect banks to try to find a way to try to make money out of an otherwise bottomless hole. Similarly, as banking is globalised, if the US Banks start this, for others not to follow suit will be commercially untenable.
Of course, the current Labour government and its inept former Chancellor - now unelected Prime Minister - also ran wild with their completely reckless drive for everyone to own their own home. Some people just can't - and the current financial crisis is more to do with the failure of their (and Bill Clinton's) uninformed interference in the private sector to effect social engineering, than it is to do with banks and bankers.
Once politicians start to artificially meddle with financial markets and structures, what the end result will be is unknown, and (as they are now) they can be catastrophic.
"If Harriet Harman suggests that an individual will be targetted by the Government because "the Prime Minister has said so" - regardless of whether the individual's rights are protected by the law, then all we need to do is dress her in a black uniform with a swastika, or a KGB uniform, to see what attitude this mirrors. I didn't know that Gordon Brown's title had recently become "Der Fuehrer"."
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Oh where have you been, we started a fire at the Riechstag tonight and tomorrow we march into Sudenteland to the beat of Harriets Drum !!!
National Socialism is the new Black ( shits) you know !!!
ps I did say a few weeks ago that she would make a cunt of herself did I not. Well there you have it !
No. He was the only "investor". He pulled a fast one on the Argentinian government who thought they could seize a profitable copper mine. Like a financial scorched earth policy.